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Unixchick
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I thought I'd start a thread for suggestions on where to donate our computer cycles for the downtime here.
We can create a WCG team on another site and boost it for a little while. Remember to meet back here when it is back up and drag along some new friends. |
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Dataman
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Dennis-TW
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I for myself crunch at Folding@home for some weeks now and it runs absolutely smooth (both CPU and GPU)
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Falconet
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Rosetta@home is a good health project but most of their work is now based around VirtualBox and it requires significant resources, particularly RAM and disk space. Einstein@home is a really good project the Physics/Astronomy area. It has CPU and GPU work. If health projects weren't around, Einstein@home would probably be my main project. TN-Grid is a health related project. Not as well known as others particularly because it isn't available at the official BOINC project list. SiDock@home is a health project currently docking molecules against SARS-CoV-2. AMD Ryzen 5 1600AF 6C/12T 3.2 GHz - 85W AMD Ryzen 5 2500U 4C/8T 2.0 GHz - 28W AMD Ryzen 7 7730U 8C/16T 3.0 GHz [Edit 1 times, last edit by Falconet at Feb 10, 2022 2:50:28 PM] |
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Dataman
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Gaia is another project not on the BOINC list.
----------------------------------------http://gaiaathome.eu/gaiaathome/ An astrophysics project using data from the Gaia telescope. Note that this is a Linux only project. Cheers. |
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BobbyB
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Rosetta@home is a good health project but most of their work is now based around VirtualBox and it requires significant resources, particularly RAM and disk space. What do you mean? That I have to run in a Virtual box? This is where I had started in my first days when I did not know the difference between any of the projects and picked one before understanding that it was not WCG. If it just means you need lots of RAM then no problem. This is where I will head. |
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Falconet
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Rosetta@home is a good health project but most of their work is now based around VirtualBox and it requires significant resources, particularly RAM and disk space. What do you mean? That I have to run in a Virtual box? This is where I had started in my first days when I did not know the difference between any of the projects and picked one before understanding that it was not WCG. If it just means you need lots of RAM then no problem. This is where I will head. Yes, the Rosetta Python tasks require VirtualBox to be installed. BOINC downloads an image and automatically runs it via VirtualBox. You don't need to have VB open. This way, they can run their neural AI stuff like RoseTTAFold, AIMNet or AlphaFold 2. See this post for some official info. These tasks don't actually use a lot of RAM but they do reserve a lot of RAM.So depending on how many threads and RAM you have, you may not be able to have each of your threads running a task. Example: 8 threads/8 GB. Each Python tells BOINC it needs 4 GB of RAM to run so you can only run 2 threads even though, if you were to open up the task manager, you'd find that the 2 Pythons were only using 100 MB each. I think the amount of RAM they currently reserve is 4 GB or around that. It used to be 7.25 GB. There are some errors that you can read about on the Rosetta forums, these tasks are still a work in progress. In order to make sure all your threads are kept busy, you may want to find another project to go alongside Rosetta. The standard Rosetta 4.20 tasks, which do not require VirtualBox but are a bit rare nowadays, don't have this "reserve lots of RAM but use a fraction of it" issue. Their RAM usage varies. In recent times, I've seen them use anywhere from +100 MB to almost 1 GB. I have one now using just 130 MB. Also, expect zero admin/project involvement on their forums. Science-wise, Rosetta is one of the best BOINC projects around but communication-wise, they are probably one of the worst. AMD Ryzen 5 1600AF 6C/12T 3.2 GHz - 85W AMD Ryzen 5 2500U 4C/8T 2.0 GHz - 28W AMD Ryzen 7 7730U 8C/16T 3.0 GHz [Edit 2 times, last edit by Falconet at Feb 11, 2022 5:48:13 PM] |
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BobbyB
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OK I've just come from over there where I read 7.25 GB but you say 4 GB now.
----------------------------------------WOW! They have got to be kidding. And there is no way I will install Virtual Box on these computers. I like it KISS. A 32 core machine would require at least 128 GB. I know no one with that kind of configuration. Guess I'm out. Ha... and I thought 32GB was lots of memory. Why not ask me to run a quantum computer, while they are at it. And I just went there and gone through all the pain of figuring out my userid and changed my password. expect zero admin/project involvement on their forums. Not a very good recommendation.[Edit 2 times, last edit by BobbyB at Feb 12, 2022 5:05:28 PM] |
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Falconet
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The memory requirement changed a few months ago. I think it's around 4 GB but I'm not sure of the exact number. I do know that before the change, my 8 thread/ 8 GB laptop could only run 1 Python + 7 MCM tasks but it started running 2 Pythons + 6 MCM after the change.
----------------------------------------You could try running the Pythons plus some other project. TN-Grid uses very little memory so that would keep your threads occupied. Unfortunately, the communication does suck. They have a Twitter account and sometimes they post updates there but don't bother publishing the same updates on the Rosetta website. The pandemic was an exception, There probably wasn't a single day without a post from an admin, scientist or mod.. But like I said, the science is very good. There's a cancer treatment on a phase 1 human clinical trial that Rosetta@home helped to validate (with "Forward Folding", they call it). The drug is called NL-201 . AMD Ryzen 5 1600AF 6C/12T 3.2 GHz - 85W AMD Ryzen 5 2500U 4C/8T 2.0 GHz - 28W AMD Ryzen 7 7730U 8C/16T 3.0 GHz [Edit 3 times, last edit by Falconet at Feb 11, 2022 8:31:08 PM] |
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Dataman
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Rosetta@home is a good health project but most of their work is now based around VirtualBox and it requires significant resources, particularly RAM and disk space. What do you mean? That I have to run in a Virtual box? This is where I had started in my first days when I did not know the difference between any of the projects and picked one before understanding that it was not WCG. If it just means you need lots of RAM then no problem. This is where I will head. Yes, the Rosetta Python tasks require VirtualBox to be installed. BOINC downloads an image and automatically runs it via VirtualBox. You don't need to have VB open. This way, they can run their neural AI stuff like RoseTTAFold, AIMNet or AlphaFold 2. See this post for some official info. These tasks don't actually use a lot of RAM but they do reserve a lot of RAM.So depending on how many threads and RAM you have, you may not be able to have each of your threads running a task. Example: 8 threads/8 GB. Each Python tells BOINC it needs 4 GB of RAM to run so you can only run 2 threads even though, if you were to open up the task manager, you'd find that the 2 Pythons were only using 100 MB each. I think the amount of RAM they currently reserve is 4 GB or around that. It used to be 7.25 GB. There are some errors that you can read about on the Rosetta forums, these tasks are still a work in progress. In order to make sure all your threads are kept busy, you may want to find another project to go alongside Rosetta. The standard Rosetta 4.20 tasks, which do not require VirtualBox but are a bit rare nowadays, don't have this "reserve lots of RAM but use a fraction of it" issue. Their RAM usage varies. In recent times, I've seen them use anywhere from +100 MB to almost 1 GB. I have one now using just 130 MB. Also, expect zero admin/project involvement on their forums. Science-wise, Rosetta is one of the best BOINC projects around but communication-wise, they are probably one of the worst. +1 Falconet good description. Another thing to consider when running VBox projects is network usage. A "feature" of VBox is it allows constant communication with large databases at the project. Depending on the project, this can quickly overwhelm your network. I do not know if this is a problem at Rosetta as I have not crunched it for awhile but it is a significant problem at LHC where Atlas, CMS & Theory constantly communicates with huge databases at CERN. You can overcome this by setting up a squid confiig. on your machine. If you are not familiar with squid there is useful information here: https://lhcathome.cern.ch/lhcathome/forum_thread.php?id=5474#43661 I am NOT trying to dissuade anyone from using VBox but before you jump in you need to be aware of how a particular project uses VBox, how much RAM is allocated to a wu and how it communicates with the project. Hope this is helpful. Cheers and good luck.  |
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