Passed to the back-room. It's a pain, but the challenger and challenged ideally should agree before hand who initiates a (closed) challenge and who accepts.

Can you post the link to the one you wish deleted. Don't think combining is an option. Don't want one to be arbitrarily removed.

One has 45 participants so far and the other 22, so the admin is in for a hack.... but who is racing who.... i certainly am fearful of what courines legs will bring to the table

Good to see! I tend to be first to do things, as timid is not used in my reference in any way. Just this time I get the honor of messing up first as well. That is why I also wanted to be first to say there was a problem long before it was.

I'm currently looking into what happened the moments before and during the error creation. I can't recreate the error mode exactly now, so am looking for possible similar error modes to help nail the exact issue that caused the primary problem.

What I remember is that the challenge seemed missing. I looked around a bit, as it seemed odd that the third of the three challenges was not shown in the lists I saw. So, I included the points race to the runtime and results to fill out the first all-round competition.

It wasn’t my intent to create this problem, but most of the best solutions are not born in error free environments. That is why I changed the name of this tread. To help promote a robust future for the challenge system here at WCG.

Thanks again, nelsoc.

New Problem: No leagues!

Yes Sek, it would be nice to have an US vs THEM battle structure, but it goes farther than that. Right now, Grand Melle style competiton is good to search out what were are. In the end though, we will see that only a few teams will have a chance.

As it is, you can see the splits between team groups widen. So to prevent this eliminating low-end competition from wishing to play at all, leagues will be the answer. This is not a problem right now, but it will be by the end of Oct. I'm just addressing the need now to provide time to encounter this issue before it becomes one.

There are many ways to handle this, but all will require an addition to the already existing structure. It revolves around combining team scores so that they, as a group, can do battle. This, and a scoreboard that shows placements in past races combined, would help bring into perspective the sporting elements better.

Even though this may take a bit more than a few minutes to build, realize that once the basic skeleton of systems stand firm, the rest will come from the teams themselves. The leagues could be made autonomous and run themselves, using those naughty non-mushroom type crunchers (like me) to help build the leagues. AND for you, the exit strategy that will keep the cost of the team challenge system down.

Comment in the sister thread regarding leagues:

"Im trying to bring up the concept of leagues in the suggestion box. This would make it possible for all teams to be involved. Right now, only a few mid-range teams can really use the system and have it be a race. To low and you fall off the bottom. Too high and the race becomes predetermined.

There are ways we can work around this problem, but in the end, there will be a need for tools to have leagues work here. The question is "will they understand fast enough, to start the fix process now, before the momentum of the current wave of involvment is lost?"

Why? Because the time it will take to get the framework needed to make the league concept work, could be months. I just shot a 4 part 4 week race for Oct. This should help bolster the wave, to add even more time. But unless something is done, the races will dwindle as they center in on themselves. Leaving only 1 team, and they will notice they are alone."

See, I'e been alone. So, dont let my past become your future.