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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23093581

The government says energy minister Michael Fallon is "fully behind" a National Grid consultation that could see big businesses paid to cut their energy usage in times of shortage.

Paid by who ?

In times of shortage !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Shortage artificially imposed

With what as an excuse ?

We don't have to turn off perfectly viable coal power stations unless wedded to some deliberately anti Citizen political dogma.

Remember 200 years of coal beneath our feet. Truly enormous Gas reserves in the Bowland Basin the potential of Severn Barrage not to mention Wind, Wave, Hydro, River and Solar

Shortage don't make me laugh

No end of means

and yet.....

Businesses will be paid to shut down.

Taxing the air was a stroke of genius. Taxing your population to pay to going businesses to not be going businesses is beyond comprehension.

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In other news

http://www.publicserviceeurope.com/article/36...eserves-lets-get-fracking

Britain has just won the world's biggest energy jackpot, potentially worth a staggering £1trillion. Yesterday it emerged that the United Kingdom not only holds the biggest shale basin in the world but that Britain most likely has the biggest shale reserves worldwide.

Britain's gargantuan shale reserves finally confirm that the country will have enough cheap and abundant energy for centuries to come.


Best not use it to give the people of this Nation low fuel bills for the foreseeable. They would only go and spend the money on something else.


Paying Businesses not to use Electricity in times of shortage

Now there's a great idea

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You really couldn't make it up
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The June 2013 result is in and the average temperature from 2542 NOAA Weather Stations around the Globe was 20.39C



The average temperature July 2012 through to the end of June 2013 was 12.439C



Here's another forum friendly sized graph that updates hourly



The graph above is (at this moment in time) the result of 55,623,437 individual temperature measurements taken around the Globe from NOAA Weather Stations since the beginning of 2011 cool


Al Gore claimed in his Oscar Winning Movie "A Convenient Tax Gathering Ruse" that we were like a frog in a pan of water. He rightly claimed if you put the frog in boiling water it would jump out. Then he claimed if you put the frog in water that was slowly heating up it wouldn't notice it was getting hotter and eventually it would be boiled alive. An Allegorical tale of our own Alleged situation.
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Dear Mr Gore

You were right, the temperature change is imperceptible.

However I've noticed.

I've noticed that the owner of this pan of water can no longer afford to pay either his or her electricity or gas bill.

As this "pan of water" is now getting decidedly tepid.

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I've seen the June 2013 CET has arrived as -0.13C but it's not yet official

6 out of 6 for 2013 being below the 1961-90 Average Temp.
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A surprising (to me) argument against fracking is that it can harm wildlife such as birds.
"hear from you about sightings of other ...the drilling sites."

I'm pretty sure that fracking sites have a relatively small anti-bird impact (compared e.g. with clearing woodlands for a biofuel farm). And surely wind farms are far more harmful; just a few days ago horrified birdwatchers saw a rare white-throa...l fly into a wind turbine.

But I suspect climate alarmist articles that argue against biofuel or wind farms are exceedingly rare, and the needletail incident in particular will be rationalized away. Invasive species! Must kill wildlife in order to save them. Whatever.
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I have to confess I like wind turbines

I think it's the you build it the wind will come attitude and it does.

There are 8 of these majestic inspiring windmills on the A59 out of Harrogate and I would miss them if they were not there.

When the wind blows 16MW of free electricity enough to power 8,000 fan heaters in the middle of Winter

once they are built, raw materials, apart from a spot of maintenance, just wind.

I seriously doubt that they are bird mincing machines as they are not silent or stationary and any self respecting bird is going to notice them being there. Ours are 93 metres to the tip so they do stand out in a crowd... unlike the plate glass of a skyscraper that birds do not see.

For the record

The Bowland Basin Fracking will itake place 10,000ft (3Kms/ 1.9Miles ) below the surface. No nodding donkeys. No Slicks. Just Gas and lots of it. biggrin
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Interesting. I think wind turbines are the most scenic modern power source.

I live in North Carolina (middle of the East Coast of US) and right now our beach communities are fighting off-shore wind turbines because at 10 miles out they would still be visible on the horizon on most days. For me that would be a feature!

But it isn't all good. Every power source has downsides, which increase with increasing use. We need as clear an understanding of such things as we can get.

"To measure is to know." - Lord Kelvin

The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service used to give estimates bird mortality from wind turbines, but no longer does.

Truth is always the first casualty of politicization.
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Harriscott I love to see the 5GW the British Wind Turbines generate when the wind blows. That's 5GW not needing to be generated at that point by other means

UK demand on a day like today 40GW at peak so potentially 12.5% of the UK's power in July shouldn't be sneezed at smile

2.75GW today http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/ just a breeze.
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