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Sek are you sure you don't want to comment on the disappearing snow

http://www.wunderground.com/blog/weatherhistorian/comment.html?entrynum=160
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Alged

It's insanity brought about by insane regulations.

Chopping down trees in Canada shipping them to the UK and then burning them as "Carbon Neutral" for the benefit of carbon credits is plain bonkers.
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I highlighted this way back in the original thread in October 2008

It is a way to avoid the EU's LCPD which is progressively switching off more Coal Power Stations in the UK and also to avoid the ETS costs

How shipping Canadian Forests to the UK across 3000 miles of Atlantic is in any way environmentally friendly is beyond me

It does have these comical effects

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-17177035

An electrical spark ignited the wood chips on the conveyor

When they poured water on the chips to put out the fire the chips soaked up the water and the weight crushed the hopper

With Coal difficult initiation of flame, water not absorbed greatly by the coal - no problem
Wood Chips in a power station + electrical fault - one of the largest fires faced by firefighters in the UK

We have 200 years worth of known Coal Resources beneath our feet and it's still there courtesy of Mrs Thatcher

Bonkers insane and directly as a result of outright, government sponsored, alarmism and propaganda.


Even when admitting that there hasn't been any it's still a lead in to

Well have a read of this

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/hay-festiv...at-admits-Lord-Stern.html

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David Autumns, thks for your documented post
On the other hand Germany has given up nuclear energy and that decision costs them a lot
France is trapped with nuclear energy : huge need from consumers, ageing plants and a crucial problem of radioactive waste disposal.
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Despite our imminent electrical energy crisis in the UK I could never support Nuclear as an alternative. Fully appreciate your Countries position on this one. We in the UK benefit from an almost continuous 1GW feed to us across the Channel as a result helping to make up our shortfall.

I was hoping that the 1950's experiment in my Country was coming to an end

http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

At the moment Wind Power could overtake Nuclear in the UK if the breeze gets up again see link above.

No-one could ever convince me that Nuclear was Clean, Safe and Climate friendly.

But the Politician's have used the spectre of (CO2) Climate Disaster to good effect in garnering new support for Nuclear power

What short memories they must think we have

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-ne...re-too-busy-to-panic.html

This piece was written in 2007 and finishes with

"Could Windscale happen again? "No," says Dr Paul Howarth of the Dalton Nuclear Institute, Manchester, "there are much greater levels of safety, our level of understanding is greatly improved and the technology is fundamentally different."

...and yet we have 3 meltdowns and a 4th station destroyed with a full load of fuel rods out in the open in the ongoing Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear disaster

We have no right to leave behind a 100,000 year deadly legacy for umpteen generations to come to have to deal with. The people who will be dismantling the UK's obsolete Nuclear Power Stations have not even been born yet

and yet our Politicians strive to remove the obstacles to building more.

That's the other end of the insanity that has been supported by "Man Made Climate Change"

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The much cited peer review argument....

Many a time in this discussion I have been on the receiving end of the "peer review" claim which apparently endows the contents of a scientific paper with the authority of the words carved into a couple of stone tablets by Moses.

With the view that if I or anyone else doubted their contents then I was clearly just an idiot incapable of discussing this complex subject what with my Neanderthal outlook and limited cognitive capabilities.

The original thread was littered with this abuse

See http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayA...ge=online&aid=6577844

We already know that the peer review process with respect to Climate Science was subverted as a result of the Climategate revelations

which leads me to Cli-Fi whistling

http://www.npr.org/2013/04/20/176713022/so-ho...ated-a-new-literary-genre

Enjoy

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p.s. So many edits! My typing fingers are not working this morning, apologies blushing
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continuing the trend of it might be natural .....but

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/...e-for-global-warming.html
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You know how last year the Arctic Ice cover got down to it's lowest recorded extent - due in part to a huge storm that broke up and dispersed the ice.

Well amazingly today, just over 8 months later, for this day of the year, it exceeds (yep that's the right word - I know it's difficult to believe what with it supposed to be disappearing) it exceeds the previous high level seen back in 2003

http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent_prev.htm

11,801,094 km2 (May 29, 2013)

Still bigger than the USA or even Canada at this point in the year.

Al had better get up there with a Blowtorch otherwise that Nobel Prize speech contents are going to end up looking like opportunist alarmist propaganda. He claimed it could be gone by as soon as next year.

Here's a claim for an ice free 2013 from back in 2007. On which Al based his Nobel Peace Prize winning speech, with it published a couple of days later.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7139797.stm

Note at the beginning of this post I pointed out there's more sea ice today at the North Pole than on this day of the year for any time in the JAXA record, which goes back to 2002

From the BBC piece above.

"Our projection of 2013 for the removal of ice in summer is not accounting for the last two minima, in 2005 and 2007," the researcher from the Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey, California, explained to the BBC.
"So given that fact, you can argue that may be our projection of 2013 is already too conservative."


Here in 2013 that is demonstrably incorrect.

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To the horror of global warming alarmists, global cooling is here

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Sun, 26 May 2013 14:58 CDT


Around 1250 A.D., historical records show, ice packs began showing up farther south in the North Atlantic. Glaciers also began expanding on Greenland, soon to threaten Norse settlements on the island. From 1275 to 1300 A.D., glaciers began expanding more broadly, according to radiocarbon dating of plants killed by the glacier growth. The period known today as the Little Ice Age was just starting to poke through.

Summers began cooling in Northern Europe after 1300 A.D., negatively impacting growing seasons, as reflected in the Great Famine of 1315 to 1317. Expanding glaciers and ice cover spreading across Greenland began driving the Norse settlers out. The last, surviving, written records of the Norse Greenland settlements, which had persisted for centuries, concern a marriage in 1408 A.D. in the church of Hvalsey, today the best preserved Norse ruin.
http://www.sott.net/article/262295-To-the-hor...ts-global-cooling-is-here
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