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Re: Not sure how much longer they will be able to keep crunching in the UK

Ah the IPCC says it is so

Therefore it must be correct


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Don't even get me started wink

If you want to remain credible you are going to need another source


All that "peer reviewed science" biggrin

Not sure how to convince someone who thinks the entire mountain of evidence of AGW is all a conspiracy. If you think it's all a conspiracy then nothing will convince you otherwise.
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Re: Not sure how much longer they will be able to keep crunching in the UK

Since 1993 catalytic converters have become the norm and again this by-product of combustion is no longer present in our car exhaust gases.
It has been addressed, but efficiency is problematic, especially in diesel engines.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalytic_converter

There's a reason that NO2 monitors today are near roads, because that's where much of the NO2 is being made and it is easy to for the monitors to monitor.

http://www.nytimes.com/gwire/2010/01/28/28gre...dside-monitors-45648.html

Because short-term exposures to NO2 occur primarily near major roads, the standard also requires new monitors to be placed along major roadways in some urban areas

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Ah the IPCC says it is so

Therefore it must be correct


laughing


Don't even get me started wink

If you want to remain credible you are going to need another source


All that "peer reviewed science" biggrin
piles and piles of alternative sources in here, also blaming Jesus for predicting it:

http://unityinchrist.com/warming/warming1.htm
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What you haven't proved is that a clear odourless non-toxic gas that makes up just 0.0388% of our atmosphere is having any measurable effect whatsoever on our Climate when all other variables and feedbacks are taken into account
What happened to the talk that blamed the sun for everything.
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Not sure how to convince someone who thinks the entire mountain of evidence of AGW is all a conspiracy. If you think it's all a conspiracy then nothing will convince you otherwise.

I'm taken aback by this esoteric17, you had still even an inkling of hope to convert an ain't true-ist, based on facts, measurable and resulting from laws of physics, set unalterable about 13.7 billion years ago, in this cycle of expansion and contraction of this particular universe, until the next big bang will come along. Here's a classic of the pipedreams ushered by that side:

If it is true, as the Nature paper suggests, that γ is greater (by 4 times) in times of cooling, than in times of warming, then wouldn’t temperature reduction be an efficient way of bringing CO2 levels down rapidly?
Assuming that cooling would magically cause the CO2 we’re dumping into the atmosphere to magically reduce, how do you propose to cool the planet?

Turn off the sun?

No, what George Dubaya would have done if he'd had his way was rolling out the National Airconditioner Initiative:

http://www.theonion.com/content/news/addressing_climate_crisis_bush

PS: Even George realized it is real... the AGW problem.
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As I was saying.....

Powerful stuff this Man Made Global Warming wink

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/8492333.stm

Scotland has suffered some of the coldest winter months in almost 100 years, the Met Office has confirmed. By combining the temperatures of January and December it showed they were the coldest since 1914 - the year data started being logged. Elsewhere, it was the coldest December and January in Northern Ireland since 1962/63 and the coldest in England and Wales since 1981/82.

...and still February lies ahead

The planet is clearly faithfully following Mann's Hockey Stick Blade trajectory as promised by the fear and doom monger, the Nobel Peace Prize winning, Al Gore on account of our CO2 emissions.

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btw Weather is not Climate

Climate is average weather in a particular location

Just thought I would save you the trouble Eso ;-)

Oh and the point...


Our real life experience is at the extreme opposite end to that predicted by the CO2 hypothesis.

But not one taking into account the changes observed in solar output
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Blame it on the Sun, the people of Egypt adored it thousands of years ago, Re, and the French even had a Roi du Soleil, but the measured and recorded facts are that the sun is flat as a pancake, in output, so much so that the variation on a global scale is dwarfed by that 6 5.3 million square km or nearly perfect reflective surface in summer time... the snow cover that provides melt water for hundreds of millions to irrigate their lands.

So here an update, sunspots, 13.1 for January at bottom and the solar output, represented in Total Solar Ir-radiance per square meter at top... about 1365,6 Watts/M^2.

Yes, yes, we are at awe when the global multiplier is posted... what was it again... 1,300,000,000,000,000 watts annual... but that snow and ice missing... that bugs me seriously.

It's again very sunny today and with the cherry tree blossoming since January 31, 2010, mid winter, I think it's save to go for a long walk in the park to inspect how other foliage is sprouting... 1.5 months early.

We blame it on the sun night (Kevin Coyne), the shortening ones.


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The chinese have somwhere in their administration a department for "controlling" the weather. They use rockets that disperse silver-iodine crystals to make rain, and many other chemicals to try to master local weather according to their need. The results for sure are not as straightforward but it is their approach of the problem which is astounding.

We also had or have experiments of this type, on how to disperse clouds or on the opposite to make them rain. But all this remains more in the research domain and we have a big restraint about risks if we go too far.

The chinese do not have this kind of restraint. What is striking with their approach is that it is systematic with the clear objective to control the climate. At important events they will do whatever they can to ensure that the right weather is there. Like shooting hundreds of rockets with chemicals.
As an example for the Olympic games they indeed controlled the local weather. They needed blue sky, good weather and a clean city with nice people so everything was done to that end. No limit. They shut down the whole local economy for that end, deported people and ...... yes it worked. Forget the impact on millions of people. Who cares.
So if tomorrow the way to go is to disperse millions of tons of hazardous chemicals but to show success they seem to have have no trouble with that. Climate is simply a variable that must be mastered as any other engineering issue.

It is striking that there is no global vision at all. What count's is the success and the grandeur of China and it's single party I suppose and at any cost. The image (literally nice coloured picture) given to the rest of the world, but please do not scratch the paint, it is still very fresh.

It is so evident that if a country of the size of China would let's suppose succeed into an absolute control of it's climate, (weather at the whole country size) it can be only detrimental to other parts of the world. The climate is a global system, a thermal machinery powered mainly by the Sun, and affected thermally and chemically by our planet Earth, its oceans, continents and the living things, (and we debate exactly about this problem) all of which has a certain state of dynamic equilibrium. It is simple to see that if we modify at a very large scale climate somehere a new equilibrium will settle with as big as consequences somewhere else.
It is all the debate about the climate worldwide today. But it seems that there is a kind of invisible climatic border between China and the rest of the world. Climate change issues are for the world, but outside China.

But this does not seem to impress them too much as long as the Sun shines, and the sky is blue when the party commemorates an important political event.

Such blatant shortsightedness is just appaling.
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