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Re: Not sure how much longer they will be able to keep crunching in the UK

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Herein lies it's genius for the next 20 or 30 years we will have to pay for these lies - that's a lost generation of potential

Everyday at the moment I am increasingly hopeful that the time frame for this whole thing unravelling will be much shorter

Here's today's shocker that isn't that shocking at all unfortunately....

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6991177.ece


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and here's another article from your same reference: Catholics don't think some parts of the Bible are that hot either.

Catholic Church no longer swears by truth of the Bible

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article574768.ece

I realize that some are arguing about timelines, but glaciers can't read. Here is a very large image from space of newly formed glacial lakes at the terminus of receding Himalayan glaciers, as seen from space.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c3/Glacial_lakes%2C_Bhutan.jpg
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Regarding melting glaciers, I do not know as I am not a specialist if and how they relate to global warming.
One thing is sure they melt all over the word and fast.
I live in Switzerland and I can tell that over the last 50 years they retreated in an astounding way. It is easy to compare pictures taken before and now.
In Bolivia the Chacaltaya glacier has simply melted away in 2009 and does officially not exist anymore. It was located at 5'395 mt of altitude, and started melting in 1980.
So in 30 years a glacier old of 18'000 years has disappeared.
I will make no extrapolation, but we can be very worried for all the regions of the world were millions depend on water from glaciers. There are more disasters looming ahead, and that is for sure.
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Re: Not sure how much longer they will be able to keep crunching in the UK

Nuclear Power

Clean Safe and Carbon Neutral

Green Clean Power.....it just makes me cry crying


http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8469249.stm
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Nuclear Power

Clean Safe and Carbon Neutral

Green Clean Power.....it just makes me cry crying


http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8469249.stm

Deconstructing deadly details from China's coal mine safety statistics:
http://www.clb.org.hk/en/node/19316

Coal mine deaths spike upward:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-01-01-mine_x.htm

Deadly power plants? Study fuels debate
Thousands of early deaths tied to emissions:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5174391/
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Perhaps the Swiss chill factor moved to the UK?
Global change, means the weather patterns change, all over the world.
Most may be getting warmer, but not all!
3 wet summers in a row. Who's betting on a 4th?
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Nuclear Power

Clean Safe and Carbon Neutral

Green Clean Power.....it just makes me cry crying


http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8469249.stm

Will You Be a Victim of Killer Coal?
http://www.truthout.org/will-you-be-a-victim-killer-coal56250
It is not simply about cleaning up the coal process; it is about halting its production altogether in order to immediately save lives - an estimated 24,000 every single year.

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If catalytic converters can be stuck on the back of every car, it is not exactly impossible to filter a few chimneys!
How many thousands of Nuclear power stations would it take to power the world for the next 100years?
Where will all the waste be kept secure for the next 100,000 years?
What would happen if just one reactor breached and the core sunk into the mantle (China Syndrome)?
If there are 100,000 nuclear reactors the chance of another Chernobyl accident is much greater than 1.
Compare this to a windmill falling over!
If we all signed agreements to use nuclear power, that would mean Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Afghanistan... all using nuclear reactors.
Can anyone see a problem with that? If not let me add a few other countries to the dubious list, Syria, Sudan, Libya, N. Korea, S. Yemen, Zimbabwe, Myanmar. I dare say we could extend this list to at least another 10.
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Compare this to a windmill falling over!

We know that THAT happens:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAWMpxX60KM

Windmill on fire with spiraling smoke
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgXcHzi2t4s

How many thousands of Nuclear power stations would it take to power the world for the next 100years?


That's all you would get, it looks like....then you need something else.
When oil starts becoming rare in a few decades, if the nuclear installed capacity was to expand say 10-fold to produce not 7% of the world energy like today but 70% in 2050 and following decades, then the world U reserves which are enough for 600 years today would be reduced to only 60 years, using today's reactors.


http://www.ecolo.org/documents/documents_in_english/uranium_resources_BC-04.htm

This may be an alternative.

There is more here about fast neutron reactors cooled by liquid sodium, which could extend the uranium reserve to 30,000 years, because it processes uranium 50 times more efficiently
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Although some countries have enough coal for the next 1000years the UK does not, and has certainly had enough coalfield disasters. Ditto for Oil and Gas!
Fortunately there is plenty of wind, rain and waves. It makes blatantly obvious economic sense to use these resources. The UK must to stop importing so much Fuel (and everything else really), otherwise the economy will deteriorate further under the national deficit, and the cost of living will spiral further upwards bringing the breadline ever closer. The government’s latest seasonally adjusted figures might tell you that the number of people in work has risen slightly (relative to some meaningless statistical function), but there was no mention of the fact that living and business costs have continuously risen for years and are now so high that they have moved many jobs into the category of not financially viable both for the business and the staff.
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If catalytic converters can be stuck on the back of every car, it is not exactly impossible to filter a few chimneys!
The U.S. has to import platinum from Russia to do that much. It has to come from somewhere.

1000 pounds (1/2 ton) of neodymium are required for the high energy magnets in a large power windmill. Most of that comes from China, and they are cutting back on exports as a matter of THEIR security.

Dysprosium is another rare earth that suffers from the Chinese export quota.
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