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Re: Not sure how much longer they will be able to keep crunching in the UK

Everyone who's done bio 101 knows that iron is needed in the blood to permit transport of oxygen. Well the big oxygen makers, or should I say releasers, have an issue with iron:
http://www.nature.com/climate/2010/1002/full/climate.2010.07.html
More acid, less iron

Richard Van Noorden

Science 10.1126/science.1183517 (2010)
More acid, less iron

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Rising carbon dioxide in the oceans may hinder, not help, marine phytoplankton blooms — because increasingly acidic waters could stifle their supply of iron, a crucial nutrient.

Dalin Shi and researchers at Princeton University, New Jersey, recorded a decrease in the uptake of iron by four species of plankton as their laboratory-controlled culture medium was acidified, changing from pH 8.6 to 7.7. At the same time, the concentration of bioavailable dissolved iron — in other words, iron not chemically bound by organic matter — dropped proportionately, suggesting that the phytoplankton's enforced diet was due to pH-induced changes in iron chemistry that made the nutrient less available to them, and not because of a physiological reaction to more acidic conditions. In samples of Atlantic surface waters, the team saw the same effect: on average, iron uptake by a marine diatom in these field experiments dropped 10–20% as ocean acidity increased by 0.6 pH units.

By 2100, ocean acidity is projected to increase by 0.3–0.4 pH units under a 'business as usual' emissions pathway. The researchers did not find that acidified waters reduced phytoplankton's intrinsic need for iron, suggesting that iron shortages could well diminish phytoplankton in many ocean areas as acidity increases.


Wonder what wheat does in response to 38% more CO2 in the air and it's handling of minerals and nutrients in the soil?
I saw something about that on a science channel yesterday. A group is seeding a plankton field west of the Galapagos Islands with finely divided iron to see whether that helps. (How do they keep the iron from rusting?? I guess if they powder it and seed immediately that solves the problem.)
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Ah yes yet more Huge White Flakes of Man Made Global Warming caused by the 0.0388% of CO2 in the atmosphere falling from the sky this morning

This must be Brussels ;-)
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Ah yes yet more Huge White Flakes of Man Made Global Warming caused by the 0.0388% of CO2 in the atmosphere falling from the sky this morning

This must be Brussels ;-)

And your point is...?
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Given the frequent use of LOL and ROFLMAO and the sharing of "I'm sorry I'm so easily pleased", for those see the new NASA site for kids: http://climate.nasa.gov/kids/ trusting our youngest members will pick up a thing or two forthey are our future.

Oh, for CO2 cap and trade, that seemed to work pretty well in the US for sulfur dioxides output. Target was a 50% reduction, the actual achieved reduction was over 90%... seems change can be forced when money talks.
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I saw something about that on a science channel yesterday. A group is seeding a plankton field west of the Galapagos Islands with finely divided iron to see whether that helps. (How do they keep the iron from rusting?? I guess if they powder it and seed immediately that solves the problem.)


Maybe they use Fe3O4 (magnetite) which doesn't rust in sea water.
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Not long now

http://web.me.com/sinfonia1/Clamour_Of_The_Ti...of_a_Grand_Narrative.html

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btw Sek SO2 is one of the gases that cools the planet. It is shiny with added H20 molecules in the upper atmosphere and reflects the sunlight back into space. SO2 is produced in huge quantities by Volcano. However the last serious eruption was way back in 1991. We have introduced clean air acts and have added scrubbers to our Power Station Chimneys (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrubber) to reduce the damaging effects of acid rain. In addition since 1993 Catalytic Converters have been required by American and EU law which means that our cars now do not produce very much else at their exhausts other than CO2.

All of which means that today we live in a cleaner atmosphere ...a cleaner atmosphere that let's the Sunlight through.

If you let in the Sun....it gets warmer.... without any hypothetical assistance from the 0.0388% of the atmosphere that is the life giving trace non-toxic gas called Carbon Dioxide.


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If you let in the Sun....it gets warmer.... without any hypothetical assistance from the 0.0388% of the atmosphere that is the life giving trace non-toxic gas called Carbon Dioxide.


Botulinum toxin LD50 = 0.000001 mg/kg

adult male @ 75kg * .0.000001 mg/kg = .000075 mg

.000075 mg / 75kg = .000001%

Explain your assumption about how "trace" things are insignificant and cannot have profound effects.
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Injecting botulinum toxin into this subject disnae make it look any better.
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Preliminary data shows that Dec + Jan the coldest since 1982 in the UK

Pretty sure this will be the same across the majority of the NH - certainly North America, UK, Europe and China

It's strong stuff this catastrophic Man Made Global Warming in the face of the inactive Sun

I wonder what the CET result will be for Jan?
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Injecting botulinum toxin into this subject disnae make it look any better.

Snark alert: Whilst botox applied to the deeper skin layers causes wrinkles to go away, the question does arise as to what it does to the wrinkles in the brain ;P
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