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Re: Not sure how much longer they will be able to keep crunching in the UK

I stumbled over this

It illustrates a point I keep trying to make more effectively than anything I have been able to put together so far

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBO2IstMi2A


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Stumbling won't help.
Did you bother to read the 43 other comments about it? No.

Here is one.

Your conclusion: 'because CO2 is a trace gas it is not a problem' is not only wrong, it is innumerate.

Numerate people see this the other way round:
'It is BECAUSE there is so little carbon dioxide that it is a problem. It means: a) CO2 is potent stuff; b) it doesn't take much for human activity to have a significant impact on the quantity.'

That is, because the numbers are small, the problem is big.

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There's the truth about "Climate Change" right there...

In Black and White

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12493...says-green-committee.html



Make it a great day

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HIJACKING SCIENCE
From global warming to evolution, psychology to sociology, corruption runs deep
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February 7, 2010
The fear and farce of climate-change science
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Is there a prelude, same as to what happened to the 2007 record low Arctic summer ice? Certainly the 2010 winter level just sits there at the low end SAME as 2007, suggests to what's in stow.

(note there was a data gap of 5 days... the little red dot presently indicating where is was yesterday:



As it says here: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/01/100121164011.htm

Ice Is 'Rotten' in the Beaufort Sea

But it ain't true now is it, Vancouver 9C? How come... sitting on the Sea/Ocean border that covers 71% of our planet?

Was watching the Superbowl 44 this morning via the Tivo box... looked kind of... warm... whilst the Saints were marching on. "It is True!".
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Sek as the graph shows there is no correlation between todays ice at the North Pole and that which is seen in the Summer melt.

Follow a few of those wiggles across the page and you will see that this is the case

As for it disappearing there was at Minima 1 Million Sq Kms more than just 2 years ago (About the size of Egypt extra )

There is nothing to suggest that the Sea Ice is disappearing in that graph - just changing weather effects from year to year

If the North Pole is dumping it's cold across the whole of the Northern Hemisphere for instance then it can't be so concentratedly cold at the Pole - there's only so much cold generated by the Arctic Winter to go around.

Today the Sea Ice is in amongst it's peers, there's been more Sea Ice today on other years and there's also been less

It's just a typical Arctic Climate seen here on Earth

And there's nothing that should need to have the Children of this Planet fearing for their future

Nothing at all


Incidentally today the North Polar Ice Cap is 1.37 times the surface area of the United States of America

37% bigger than the USA!

Now realistically is that a North Polar Ice Cap under threat of imminent demise?

I think you know what the true answer is


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Scientists Agree Human-Induced Global Warming Is Real, Survey Says:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/01/090119210532.htm

A group of 3,146 earth scientists surveyed around the world overwhelmingly agree that in the past 200-plus years, mean global temperatures have been rising, and that human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures.

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The Psychology of Denial: Climate Warming Scam:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/2/6/83...ial:-Climate-Warming-Scam

More than that, this near cult of scientific denial also believes that there is a multi-agency, multi-media and almost global government conspiracy to hide the truth and twist the facts. They ignore data that doesn't suit them, and cherry pick the small but inevitable errors and anomalies in this vast field of combined science.

Having analysed their links, argued back with countervailing data, I'm now convinced the bulk of popular climate warming scepticism is a conspiracy theory, like 911 truthers who believed Bush was behind the Twin Trade Towers, or those who still believe the Moon Landings were staged. Like all conspiracy theories, it's impervious to evidence because - a priori - anyone who disagrees with them is in cahoots with the conspiracy. So it goes round and round, becoming more extreme, paranoid.

Let's imagine, rather than 97/3, that scientific opinion was split 50 50 in terms of man made carbon emissions creating global warming. Calculate the risks.

1. If the sceptics are right: the downsides or reducing carbon outputs are pretty minimal - higher energy costs for sure, but less dependence on peak oil. They are also reversible

2. If the sceptics are wrong: the downsides of not reducing carbon emissions are catastrophic: desertification, loss of species, rise of sea level, and countless positive feedback loops in the oceans and tundra which make warming irreversible.

It's pretty simple; the risks of doing something are lower than the risks of doing nothing.

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