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Sekerob
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Esoteric17, it's really one ear in, the other ear out, no matter how often it's slapped in the face. I've long accepted that one should not expect even the remotest effort of retention, then followed by the repetition of the false (the famous by omission) talking points. The seasonal chart I published from that removed thread, 7336 posts long, copy in my possession fully indexed and hotlinked, here reproduced, updated through December 2009.
---------------------------------------- It's bluntly obvious, to anyone with common sense (and not afraid to use it)... why cover is now high! El Nino > Lots of warm ocean vapor > STRONG [record negative] Arctic Oscillation, sucking in warm air to replace the cold air that's been pushed south. Ask WATTS... he's a weatherman, who does not grasp it, at all and he's supposed to have a diploma... if you ask me, as sit com dim wit comedian. hmmm yes, Rutgers reworked the numbers based on new analytical techniques some decades ago not available. 6 million summer shortfall became 5.34 million... the WATTS taken in due this albedo affecting change still exceeding the global effect of solar max-min differential. I'll let the covorting continue... The Annual North Sea New years dive was on Jan 1, 2009 in coastal water of 4 Celsius, and on Jan 1, 2010 in 7 Celsius... someone eyes wide shut daydreaming of global cooling, outside that famous window.
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David Autumns
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All of which is completely and utterly insignificant
----------------------------------------December 2009 was 2nd in 44 years of record keeping at 45862000 sq kms the mean value is 43202000 sq kms so 2660000 sq kms more than average Yep we should have had a tiny tiny decline - the Globe warmed throughout the 20th Century on account of a more active Sun But not any more as we are now experiencing. Only 36 weeks since the start of 1968 have had more snow than the 1st Week of 2010. In the record from 1968 only the 1st Week of 2009 and 1985 had more snow covering the Northern Hemisphere than the 1st week of 2010, comparing apples with apples. The change in my graph from the Rutgers University Global Snow Lab is negligible throughout the record of northern hemisphere snow cover since 1968 - as you can see with your own two eyes. You can spin it into a Climate Disaster if you like but I'd prefer to stick to reality. A reality that unfortunately includes the actual disaster unfolding in Haiti.  Dave  |
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All of which is completely and utterly insignificant December 2009 was 2nd in 44 years of record keeping at 45862000 sq kms the mean value is 43202000 sq kms Let's talk about completely and utterly insignificant (winter snow): http://tamino.wordpress.com/2008/12/20/heavy-snow-job/ But we can look closer by isolating snow cover during the different seasons of the year. I’ll use the standard climatological definitions of the seasons, Dec-Jan-Feb for winter, Mar-Apr-May for spring, Jun-Jul-Aug for summer, and Sep-Oct-Nov for fall. If we look at winter snow cover, we don’t see any obvious trend, and in fact a regression indicates that there’s no significant change in winter snow cover:  It’s really not a surprise that there’s no trend in winter snow cover. Warmer temperature tends to melt snow, but also causes more water vapor in the air, so there’s more possibility of snow. And as long as it’s still cold enough to snow (which it still is during winter), we shouldn’t be surprised by no change in snow cover. Which is what Sek said above. [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Jan 14, 2010 5:53:08 PM] |
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Global change means Different weather patterns in different parts of the globe.
Just because it warms up slightly does not mean it cannot get colder in some places. Only parts of the northern hemisphere are getting warmer. Some parts are likely to get very cold, including the UK. This is because the sea currents that send warm water north from the Florida area are slowing down. The temperatures of the seas around the UK dictate the land temperatures of the UK. So when the sea temperatures drop because there is less warm water being brought to the UK shores, the winters will get colder. Should the conveyer belt of warm water stop, or be redirected, then we could move into an ice age very quickly - under 100 years. |
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Sekerob
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Rapidly disappearing of that extra December snow (blue), the red band expanding in Eurasia the place where they actually need it to come AND required to stay till spring and further, so their tongues wont go dry and their lands wont parch, and crops don't perish, absent melt water during the growth season.
----------------------------------------Day 14, 2010 AD  Signs of a supposedly cooling planet.
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Global dimming is the reduction in the light hitting the earth as a result of pollutions - including CO2. When these pollutants become airborne they allow thicker clouds to hang in the air and for much longer. This reflects more sun light and works to reduce the temperature of the earth. Sun light on the earths surface is now 20% less than 50 years ago. Take the CO2 away and the planet heats up very fast.
Once it heats up enough for the methane in the ocean bed and land (Russia) to be released the process will accelerate uncontrollably and there will be no way back. This will not require a global temperature rise, just a local one of no more than 2 or 3 degreese. But for the UK the picture is different. The world might be going to hell fast, but a special area will be set aside for the UK. The Gulf Stream will slow down and change course (it is already doing this). The temperatures of the waters around the UK will drop (coldest winter in decades), causing more snow to fall (that would be us), and a new Ice Age will start creaping in. Lets hope the earth does not change its tilt again or the UK could be the new North pole, or on the equator. It could even be the new South pole if the magnetic fields flip! |
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David Autumns
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Today's Global Warming Classic
----------------------------------------http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8462890.stm But Professor Stephen Mobbs, director of the National Centre for Atmospheric Science at Leeds University, said the warming bias in the annual prediction was a red herring. "All models have biases and these are very small. It may be, as the Met Office suggests, that the observations are wrong, not the model."  Quick someone pass me the oxygen When you stop believing in your own observations the game is up It won't be long now Dave |
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We have to be a little patient. In 20-30 years we will now for sure who was right or wrong.
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David Autumns
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Hypernova
----------------------------------------Herein lies it's genius for the next 20 or 30 years we will have to pay for these lies - that's a lost generation of potential Everyday at the moment I am increasingly hopeful that the time frame for this whole thing unravelling will be much shorter Here's today's shocker that isn't that shocking at all unfortunately.... http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6991177.ece Dave |
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The articles highlight the way some Science is being misreported by the media, who have a broadcast or print deadline to meet, and are not about to let the chilling truth get in the way of a tall story.
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