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shock Re: Not sure how much longer they will be able to keep crunching in the UK

Who said what does not interest me, it was said in this thread with clear proof of ill-informedness:
In the 21st Century there has not been any warming

Now there, who came up with that notion? The Spencer/Goddard/Watts train of inhibited thought?





21st century started in 2000 and boxcar does a great job of showing the past 3.2 decades.

Seeing the word 'tripe' these days more often used by those who can't deal with Inconvenient Truths. There are more words for that of similar connotation.

Food for [poisoned] thoughts, but not by all!

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P.S.: Suspecting a new revision of UAH 5.4 is upcoming in the not too distant future. Now Spencer is [per a former CA who said] ''I don't trust him''... having ever stronger reservation of his intellectual direction. He [Spencer] has been throwing direct accusations around of malfeasance on his blog at the address of Dr. James Hansen v.v. RSS. Still he's not gone to jail from receiving the 1.2 million, minus 45k, in price money. By far most researchers use that for... more research, often a condition of such award.
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Sea Ice update # countless: Per buoys map, NOAA Polar Webcam 2 has just moved outside the 2 degree zone that CryoSat-2 cant see, but the webcam itself has been Hi-Res reporting on a daily basis for the whole drift track, multiple times in 24 hour periods, how the Arctic Ice is doing... Well, it's melting: See http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/npole/2011/images/noaa2-2011-0722-015533.jpg

The full picture archive can be found here http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/npole/gallery_np_selectall.php

NOAA1 fell over several weeks ago, on leg went through the soggy surface: http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/npole/2011/images/noaa1-2011-0722-024319.jpg It's been tilting further and further as can be seen whilst browsing through the images.

In the last 48 hours there was over 398,000 km square of Ice loss [Area], whilst the extent kept spreading from the remainder, so JAXA does not show what's really going on... 2011 continues to track below 2007 record year on almost all metrics, such as this one showing the anomaly for the first 201 days of all years since 1979.



Can't remember seeing it before... don't worry, it will come back again, with a new set of updated bars.

Food for thought, but not for all!

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P.S. Walked into a dataset starting from 1972... daily detail. There were those undisclosed missions from when JASON [video for elucidation ] and Nierenberg did their studies in the 70's decade... some feared a new ice-age that turned 180 degrees with some human help. Nierenberg found then
The most probable date of CO2 "doubling" (to 600 ppm) was 2065

The chief Inconvenient Truth revealer might have had a hand in getting the 70's sea ice data to come to surface and CO2 at present exponential growth rate will hit 600 ppmv a little sooner, 10 years sooner, but not by his doing, it's us all.

P.P.S. When it snows I wear a hat, of some teflon like material... nothing sticks even after long hours of weathering exposure. It's bright red, so they see me coming. tongue
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(PhysOrg.com) — A new study led by the U.S, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) shows that tiny particles that make their way all the way up into the stratosphere may be offsetting a global rise in temperatures due to carbon emissions. And while scientists cannot yet say with any certainty where exactly the particles are coming from, they are saying that they have confidence that such particles have likely muted global temperature gains by as much as a third of what they would have been. They team, led by John Daniel, a physicist at the NOAA Earth System Research Laboratory (ESRL) in Boulder, CO, has published their results in Science.

http://www.physorg.com/----------- http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2011/07/22...ical-temperature-control/
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(PhysOrg.com) — A new study led by the U.S, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) shows that tiny particles that make their way all the way up into the stratosphere may be offsetting a global rise in temperatures due to carbon emissions. And while scientists cannot yet say with any certainty where exactly the particles are coming from, they are saying that they have confidence that such particles have likely muted global temperature gains by as much as a third of what they would have been. They team, led by John Daniel, a physicist at the NOAA Earth System Research Laboratory (ESRL) in Boulder, CO, has published their results in Science.

http://www.physorg.com/----------- http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2011/07/22...ical-temperature-control/


I saw another study linking it to mostly sulfur from burning Chinese coal.

http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-07-global-linked-sulfur-china.html
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Nothing really new... the Chinese plant operators have been condoned by polit-bureau officials for long to not use the [expensive to operate] scrubbers in the chimneys [think you call them smokestacks in Inglese]... those nice very long pipes using accelerators to really shoot the dirt way way up and have the aerosols dump on someone else's doorstep. Locals in some cities there are seeing though improvement of late [saw it in the news somewhere last week].

ABC clouds [Atmospheric Brown Clouds], from burning large quantities hanging over Asia and the Indian Ocean have also been identified for longer as dampeners.

That GW was masking the 40% CO2 effect we knew for longer... power plants acting as sulfur/aerosol spewing volcanoes... wait until we truly clean up our act.

Food for thought, but not to all.

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P.S. The laws and regulations in the US are still regularly violated, but paying the multi-million dollar fines is thought cheaper.
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Yes, that's why I come here... to keep all abreast on the canary of planet earth, The Arctic **. One wing broken, One leg limb and the arthritis progressing... it's vocal cords are over-streched, many not hearing it's anxiety.

The bird is not doing well with all that soot, sulfur and other pollutants added in a constant stream... up to a point CO2 is not, but as with anything 'too'... then it becomes one, and EPA has used the 'pollutant' angle as a facilitation within the law to try pass controls.

For the ''normal'' functioning of the biosphere, of which our atmosphere and oceans, and land plantlife are the most important constituents, the time since end of the last ice-age, some ~12,000 years ago, switching into our recently ended Holocene, CO2 was nicely balanced around 280 ppmv. Today it's way up as can be seen in me sig [auto-updating monthly]. It's ''too'' now, because it functioning as a thicker more closely knitted catch-net for Long Wave radiation [change of opacity], before more easily escaping to space. Here a link to a short and longer elaboration: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100301144237AAZoWYA

So, on the Arctic canary, a new record was set yesterday [one of many this year, to include a heatwave matching, maybe exceeding the one Russia suffered last year].

There was the new ''earliest'' under 10 million km square of sea ice extent:



Then there was the near matching of 2007 record low passing through the under 9 million km^2:



Yet another record when the 8 million km^2 was undercut:



And now the lower than 7 million km^2, where until 15 years ago many years would not even come that low at the lowest point in the year usually occurring in later August and September.



Does that not look like a sign... a little bit more than just weather?

Current forecasts are for 6 million to pass around August 5, and 5 million in later August. So far, for the first 204 days of 2011, there is no previous year where the average has been seen to be so poor [and thin and rotten]

Food for thought, but not to all!

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** The Antarctic has a lag because it's surrounded by a vast body of ocean having a buffering effect on global warming, or cooling. It's tough showing clear signs now too of ''mass balance'' loss. At Face, which of course if shooting pictures will never convey what climatologists measure.

David Autumns, don't they all ''appear'' as your Heile Welt?

Wisse, wenn in Schmerzensstunden
dir das Blut vom Herzen spritzt:
Niemand kann die Welt verwunden,
nur die Schale wird geritzt.

Tief im innersten der Ringe
ruht ihr Kern getrost und heil.
Und mit jedem Schöpfungsdinge
hast du immer an ihm teil.

Ewig eine strenge Güte
wirket unverbrüchlich fort.
Ewig wechselt Frucht und Blüte,
Vogelzug nach Süd und Nord.

Felsen wachsen, Ströme gleiten,
und der Tau fällt unverletzt.
Und dir ist von Ewigkeiten
Rast und Wanderbahn gesetzt.

Neue Wolken glühn im Fernen,
neue Gipfel stehn gehäuft,
bis von nie erblickten Sternen
dir die süße Labung träuft.

------- Poem by Werner Bergengruen, ca 1950
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Sea ice drift forecast, updated daily, this one for July 24. Strong transport of ice through the Fram Strait. Greenland sea showing way above average amount of [broken up] ice. Much will move south, exposed to the higher temps of the Atlantic open ocean

http://www7320.nrlssc.navy.mil/hycomARC/navo/...5_arcticicespddrf.001.gif

Courtesy, US Navy.

From the Science 2.0 blog, the topic:
Arctic Ice July 2011

The ice is certainly much less compacted than in former times and the Beaufort Gyre - one of the drivers of compaction - appears to have been neither powerful nor steady so far this year. There is still a chance of seeing extensive open water at the North Pole if the loss of extent continues to track close to or below 2007 levels.

Time will tell.

What we do see glaringly, is a wide separation between Extent and Area at this time. July 2007 ended in a concentration of 65.68%. 2010 went lower... 65.5%. Breaking up is not hard to do these days, 2011... we'll know in a 10 days.



Food for thought, but not to all!

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P.S. Anyone has a positive climate indicator chart with a ''significant'' trend? Read a while ago something along the line of ''... would laugh you out of the room'' on Scottish rain trends. The mounting evidence is contrary. Any more rain on you guys?... send some down here... ideally send a boat load to the Southern/Eastern Africans... when some will readily posit it's all normal. If ''normal'' is the price Australians pay for having all that hot water pushed to their western eastern coast during the last La Nina and causing billions of damage from the consequential deluges, please forgive them for wishing the wind blows in the other direction. It will, and then this might happen: Strong El Nino Could Bring Increased Sea Levels To US East Coast Let's hope not, but that is not what science is considering, hope.
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The sad facts: Both North Pole webcams now lost, at 88N to provide good in-situ imagery.



One observer with hot-link posted a line to the metrics screen where power consumption and battery temperature shot through the roof...

http://obuoy.datatransport.org/monitor

Click in left margin on Ubuoy #2 and batteries at bottom to see more. Look left down, and one sees what addition information was recorded... O3 [Ozone], CO2 [Carbon Dioxide].

These set-ups ''were'' known to last into the Arctic night.

http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/gallery_np_seasons.html

No longer there are enough of stable / thick slabs in the target area near the pole to be found.

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John Cook : “observed sea level rise is already above IPCC projections and strongly hints at acceleration”- http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2011/07/16...ly-hints-at-acceleration/

Gerald, if you're in to broaden your view, then visit a real statisticians blog for a Sea Level Rise analysis... This one centered on what's detected.

http://tamino.wordpress.com/2011/07/22/how-no...gauge-data/#comment-52630
As a matter of fact, this kind of time-varying acceleration is exactly what would be expected from models of sea level rise based on temperature, such as that proposed by Vermeer & Rahmstorf (2009). In fact, that model will reproduce observed sea level changes well, including some of the changes in acceleration over time. It also points to very large acceleration, leading to very troublesome sea level rise, during this upcoming century.

If [mean rate increasing] 200 cubic miles of land based ice turn water, annually, *net*, where do you think 99+% will go? It's not in Lake Mead! The expected effects of SLR on a tax haven such as Delaware
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I wonder if this has been switched off yet ?

http://www.magnoxnorthsites.com/news/2011-03-01/continued-generation-at-oldbury

Ah

Yes smile http://www.magnoxnorthsites.com/news/2011-06-30/final-day-for-reactor-2

and

No sad http://www.magnoxnorthsites.com/news/2011-06-...ate-electricity-into-2012

So that's a reactor that first went critical on 18th September 1967 originally to shut down in 2008 given until the end of 2012 to continue to run. So that's 43 years 10 months and (still) counting.

Fingers crossed

Here's background info on my local Nuke Station
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldbury_Nuclear_Power_Station
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