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Re: Not sure how much longer they will be able to keep crunching in the UK

Surprise, I'm Back... There's another webcam rotating in the Beaufort gyre, the series of screenshots put in a zeitraffer covering March through July 22, 2011

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCV25jc4ynw

See how the edges of the meltponds are eating away at the ice and snow cover... 24 hours a day solar exposure, barely a cloud passing.

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Re: Not sure how much longer they will be able to keep crunching in the UK

Not exactly near the pole is it Sek



Last time I checked the North Pole was at 90 degrees North biggrin
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Here an interesting concept, long practiced by the Swedes, which works excellently to quasi permanent sequester CO2.

http://www.science20.com/news_articles/help_s...ing_using_more_wood-80906

Yes we can [do something about it], an old rule of every tree cut down requiring at least 1 new one to be planted.

Food for thought, but not for all.

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P.S. The Cement industry is after the fossil fuel power plants, the second largest CO2 producer. You can make a difference:
Using life cycle analysis the researchers, for example, compared replacing steel floor joists with engineered wood joists, thereby reducing the carbon footprint by almost 10 tons of carbon dioxide for every ton of wood used. In another example, wood flooring instead of concrete slab flooring was found to reduce the carbon footprint by approximately 3.5 tons of carbon dioxide for every ton of wood used.


P.P.S. A little less radical than the recent brain-burb of a US politician made to cut down all trees, because they'd otherwise rot to release CO2 into the air. Some mothers do have them.

P.P.P.S. Not sure if the plan works with a warming planet and bark and pine beetle killing the forests on a large scale.
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Not exactly near the pole is it Sek

http://obuoy.datatransport.org/data/obuoy/var...g?timestamp=1311430328056

Last time I checked the North Pole was at 90 degrees North biggrin

Surely you'd seen this... http://psc.apl.washington.edu/northpole/DriftTrackMap.html

Did it ring no bell when the regular reference was 88-89 North?

There are more bo(u)ys called Joe, my fault for not looking at the coordinates first :P

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Edit: Yes confirmed, 2 Joe's.

An animation of the NOAA2 tipover:

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http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/20110724p2a00m0na009000c.html

The first court decision, handed down in 1984 by the Fukushima District Court, concluded that the government's safety evaluations were reasonable, and dismissed the case. On appeal in 1990 the Sendai High Court also rejected the suit, citing the proportion of the electricity supply provided by nuclear plants and stating, "In the end, we can do nothing but move ahead with nuclear power." Finally, in 1992, the Supreme Court added its own dismissal.



March 11th 2011
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Re: Not sure how much longer they will be able to keep crunching in the UK

Buoy No2 is at 76 North

Not 88

Maybe it's TomTom has gone faulty too

Or more likely that water you are claiming is just 2 degrees from the pole is in fact 966 miles south of it
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Buoy No2 is at 76 North

Not 88

Maybe it's TomTom has gone faulty too

Or more likely that water you are claiming is just 2 degrees from the pole is in fact 966 miles south of it

This is where WEBCAM 2, aka NOAA2 is...http://psc.apl.washington.edu/northpole/DriftTrackMap.html , the other link referring to a different buoy system that's dying, as I said ! 88 North, in words, Eighty Eight North!

No pictures today from NOAA 2... as the 21st, slightly past... yes, 88N.

Capice?

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Sek one day my dream is to live in a wooden Swedish style house.
Triple Glazing, seriously insulated, pv solar panel on the roof, wind turbine in the garden, ground heat pump, solar water heater all with as little impact on the environment as possible.


Let's hope it doesn't remain just a dream Sek
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Post snip:[Mar 5, 2010 2:49:50 PM]
We have reached the low point (for Summer Snow extent) as the Sun is now showing signs of reduced activity - which is why the terrible winter and the snow I had falling on my head this morning.

Components: Solar activity, Summer Snow extent ???? Snow on my head, Terrible Winter

Not understood a word on the Snow part when this was posted in March '10, the Sun part debunked further below too. And yes, there was snow on my hat too... it's supposed to snow here in winter, some 13 degrees more southern than where the English live. These days snow is a photographic phenomena [down here].

Post Snip: [Jul 13, 2011 2:28:21 PM]
You're not having your cake and eating it
Last Winter lest you forget was one of the worst in the last 100 years or so across the Northern Hemisphere
Let's also not forget the Sun has waned to a level not seen for about 100 years or so

Components: Again Terrible Winter, Sun waned to level not seen in about 100 years.

A direct drawing of a correlation as a causation, a very major fallacy many trip up on. Those fallacies are what the Anthony Watts's and Steve Goddard's are exploiting, time and again.

Observations are that the 2010 Winter was ruled by an El Nino on Earth, but it left before June, 2010 still turning the hottest year on record... now hows that? For 2011 the Winter was ruled by an La Nina, with strong Jetstream shift causing for vapor richer air [due global warming] to meet cold air carried in from the Arctic, to turn snow.

As for the sun, SORCE/TIM came back to life, and the ''100 year low'' is, well, not exactly low. Just 0.1046 Watts less than 2003.



The black line indicates the annual average and the red line the 6 month moving.

Now for the excuse offered to those who prefer to scapegoat the sun for the 2011 Arctic decline: So far the sun is emitting 0.37 Watts / meter square more on average than 2007.

The SORCE annuals in numbers:
SORCE    Average    Chng '03 % Var '03
2003 1361,3818
2004 1361,2512 -0,13067489 -0,00959869%
2005 1361,0770 -0,30484567 -0,02239237%
2006 1361,0070 -0,37486709 -0,02753578%
2007 1360,9070 -0,47485134 -0,03488010%
2008 1360,8681 -0,51374257 -0,03773685%
2009 1360,8746 -0,50720562 -0,03725668%
2010 1361,1003 -0,28150251 -0,02067770%
2011 1361,2775 -0,10429423 -0,00766091%


This is in percent of the TOA [Top of Atmosphere for those who don't know], the grand number of -0,00766091%, to the eight decimal exact less than 2003.

Sunlight reaches us in about 8 minutes after transmission. Solar Winds and CME's [Coronal Mass Ejection] elements take a few days, when the beam from a rotating sun does reach us, but mostly bounces off our Magnetic cloak that's sitting around earth. When those hit you'll see Aurora Borealis/Australis depending on what half of the planet one is, maybe in England too if lucky not to be having the grump causing cloud cover, from which it rains by the gallon [wish it would do same on those in east and southern Africa]

The sun still goes through it's cycle, but for the traditional visible sunspots recorded for centuries, only 0.10429423 Watts / M^2 less was received in 2011 than in 2003. For ease of calculation to account for the planet's sphere form that is on average at Earth's surface, 0.02607356 Watts average hitting down less on every square meter.

We know to get us to ''feel'' a lasting solar minimum, it has to be of a Maunder Minimum duration... that was 70 years or so, and then it will change temps by 0.2-0.3%, at present atmospheric composition.

CO2 in the atmosphere increased some 40% from ~280 ppmv pre industrial to presently 393.69 ppmv or 0.039369%. That is a greenhouse gas, without which we'd be freezing at 32-33C less than current global mean... when there was the so-called Iceball Earth state, from which the planet broke loose during cataclysmic volcanic eruptions raising CO2 about 30x higher.

A quote by George W. Bush, 8 years president of the USA, the man who did not want to be misunderestimated:
Reading is the basics for all learning.

It's a ''basic'' skill, by word of a former POTUS.

Food for thought, but not for all!

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P.S.: Still waiting for the Scots to laugh me out of the room about the increasing rains in their region. This map shows [click in list on Scotland], the longer history... the current decade and a half is trending higher than ever before [on the record back to 1910]

Comments are always welcome, if based on fact, not on [global] perceptions acquired from looking out a garden window.
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The Buoy with the battery temperature which "shot through the roof" is OBuoy #2 at this address

http://obuoy.datatransport.org/monitor

It is without a doubt between 75 and 76 North


and thanks for showing us and acknowledging that the Sun is approaching maxima although on a much reduced level than back in 2001(and 2003)
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