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Re: Not sure how much longer they will be able to keep crunching in the UK

Sek one day my dream is to live in a wooden Swedish style house.
Triple Glazing, seriously insulated, pv solar panel on the roof, wind turbine in the garden, ground heat pump, solar water heater all with as little impact on the environment as possible.


Let's hope it doesn't remain just a dream Sek

Till then we'd better put our cards on building save nukes such as pebble bed, as before then the CO2 will keep you warm without triple glazing..., oh no sorry, the UK is in the wrong geographical spot.



Meantime the North Pole is recovering, in pipe dreams.

Global Sea Ice is also looking good...



Was that the Sun, El Nino, La Nino, Volcanoes [that have taken shape of Coal Power Plants]... 7 billion who have little regard for the environment and perpetuate to willfully ignore all the [inconvenient] science we know?

Food for thought, but not for all!

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P.S. A world leader of the most potent nation for 8 years had something to share during his rule:
You teach a child to read, and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test.
- US President George W. Bush (2000?)

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The Buoy with the battery temperature which "shot through the roof" is OBuoy #2 at this address
http://obuoy.datatransport.org/monitor
It is without a doubt between 75 and 76 North
and thanks for showing us and acknowledging that the Sun is approaching maxima although on a much reduced level than back in 2001(and 2003)

We're always obliged, but if you grasped it is very doubtful. The sun is totally subordinate in the variations of such short duration, and if lasting 70 years that Maunder minimum was said to last, 0.2-0.3C at most. Sun High or Low, you're the one who's claiming no warming for the 21 century Did you or Did you not? [yuk, the who said what game]. The evidence is overwhelmingly against you and your pre-conceptive parroting of what Goddard/Watts et al peddle:



From YOUR trusted Dr. Roy Spencer, consecutive 3 decades of warming, the 4th on the way. Other global temperature series, much longer show the identical for the same period as the satellites covered... from different baselines, Up Up Up.

Let's try again on the on the other item, buoys ...2 (TWO) dying systems, one at 75N is different to the system at 88N where webcam #2 IS, at eighty eight degrees North.

What it does proof is that if an erred piece of unrelated information was passed, it's very hard to reset / correct that information... http://www.psy.uwa.edu.au/Users%20web%20pages...ents/Ecker.IP2011.PBR.pdf

Food for thought, but not for all!

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P.S. Is QED not a former British TV program?

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snip...
and thanks for showing us and acknowledging that the Sun is approaching maxima although on a much reduced level than back in 2001(and 2003)

Frankly, no idea where you get the notion to keep repeating disproved fact, David.

No, 2011 is NOT much reduced to 2003 OR 2001. Here's the table from SORCE/TIM, again, annual data, you know, the average of 365 days, or 366 when leap year:
SORCE    Average    Chng '03 % Var '03
2003 1361,3818
2004 1361,2512 -0,13067489 -0,00959869%
2005 1361,0770 -0,30484567 -0,02239237%
2006 1361,0070 -0,37486709 -0,02753578%
2007 1360,9070 -0,47485134 -0,03488010%
2008 1360,8681 -0,51374257 -0,03773685%
2009 1360,8746 -0,50720562 -0,03725668%
2010 1361,1003 -0,28150251 -0,02067770%
2011 1361,2775 -0,10429423 -0,00766091%

Got trouble understanding 0.1 Watts/M^2 less in 2011 than 2003 or 0.00766091% of total solar irradiation, to the eight decimal?

Want me to bore the the audience [silent vastest majority] with annual figures from PMOD or VIRGO or ACRIM I /II/III to name but a few starting in the 70's decade... that what is displayed is this repeated chart?



Missing to see the values on the left Y Axis?

Here one showing a total with a baseline at zero on left Y axis, and 250 times magnificastion on right axis:



Many like to see the underlying analyzed data to understand charts... physicists, economists, climatologists, biologists, oceanologists, paleontologists... electronic engineers too, I'm sure of that.

Food for thought, but not to all!

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P.S. Who says that the sun "is approaching maxima although on a much reduced level"... what percent of total TSI would that be?

P.P.S. George had many wisdoms, and he did make it to jet fighter pilot in amongst on his long country-serving CV:
And it’s a struggle between good and it’s a struggle between evil.
- US President George W. Bush in a speech (on terrorism) to the Cattle Industry Annual Convention and Trade Show at the Denver Convention Center (February 8, 2002)

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Google has tacked on $102 million to fund the Alta Wind Energy Center wind energy project in the Mojave Desert. Google has pumped $780 million into clean energy this year. http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Green-IT/Google-Adds...Energy-Investment-639370/
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- Dennis Avery Tuesday, July 19, 2011

Get ready for the next big bombshell in the man-made warming debate. The world’s most sophisticated particle study laboratory—CERN in Geneva—will soon announce that more cosmic rays do, indeed, create more clouds in earth’s atmosphere. More cosmic rays mean a cooler planet. Thus, the solar source of the earth’s long, moderate 1,500-year climate cycle will finally be explained. http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/38627
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- Dennis Avery Tuesday, July 19, 2011

Get ready for the next big bombshell in the man-made warming debate. The world’s most sophisticated particle study laboratory—CERN in Geneva—will soon announce that more cosmic rays do, indeed, create more clouds in earth’s atmosphere. More cosmic rays mean a cooler planet. Thus, the solar source of the earth’s long, moderate 1,500-year climate cycle will finally be explained. http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/38627

"It's a conspiracy"... learn German: The Illuminati are behind it all http://www.welt.de/wissenschaft/article134883...rschern-geholfen-hat.html

Gerald, they're out to steal your brain too... Logan... Run!

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I have no brain sad --- Milne's vow to punish critics is an echo of Stalinist censorship--- http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion/milnes-vo...ry-e6frfhqf-1226102391516 but i do try wink
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Gerald, you of course can put the original German interview of Welt Online through Google translator. The chief said "stick to the scientific facts, and [plz] refrain from giving [unsupportable] interpretations. It's like NASA who crashed that satellite into a polar moon crater to see if there was water down below. The lead was very careful not to give any definitive word on what they saw. Took a year or so before they said there was water and in what probable amounts.

GCR's are constantly measured [find the charting websites], so by the time CLOUD can give calibrated FACT, this can be reapplied to testing the observational global data and quantify the effects on cloud seeding... that will likely take years, but... is it significant?

We have 10Be records... that what gets generated and deposited more when the sun is *lower*... from GCRs, so there is a very long record to establish what correlation there is and than the BIG question: Are they causal on cloud forming, and to what degree? Then the next question is, in how far does the highly controlled experiment match the real live observational? There is real live detail cloud record from the full globe. There's been a steady rise of vapor... 4%. Some regions have been significant decline in precipitation and others are getting it by the gallon... the increasing imbalances around the globe hinting at destabilization of the climate [The USA is a prime example of the observed shifts]. Would GCR's be discriminatory depending on where they come in on planet earth? Strong doubts on that, but lets wait for the scientists to do their research before trumpeting nonsense as were it established even before the data is released.

As for the Milne story, well Rupert has been using his News Corp machinery to commit crime [he claimed to not have prior knowledge]. What the real reason was to shut down News of the World? Maybe to clean out all the data on their computers before instructions are given by the judicial. Certainly if all the staff if gone, reconstruction will be much much harder. Who know, someone anticipated and hacked his mail servers.

Food for thought, but not for all!

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P.S. The average total solar irradiance [TSI] of 2011 is now 0.09992462 Watts / sqkm less at top of atmosphere than 2003, data SORCE. That's 0.00733994% less than 2003. Kind of an indication, IF correlation is relatively constant, what the change of impact by GCR's could be. In that 2003 to 2011 period the atmospheric CO2 rose some 16 ppmv or 5,71428571% of what it was pre-industrial. These CO2 mols respond to Long Wave radiation generated at ground/sea level, converting the incoming solar Short Wave radiation to which CO2 hardly interacts. Ozone [O3] up in the Stratosphere does and that layer got damaged substantially by humanities released CFKs... The Ozone layer is critical in filtering out the UV... it causes skin cancer in amongst if too much exposed. Plants never came to be on land until UV had dropped low enough, speak the Ozone layer had developed well enough. UV is deep water penetrating.

More food for thought what that GCR hype might entail... you think Steve Goddard and Anthony Watts have the competence to say it has or it has not a meaningful effect?

P.P.S. Ozone building at ground level is a direct health risk... it's an increased problem, not good for plant growth either.

P.P.P.S. Sorry, if this longer verbiage tests anyone's attention span... quite a bit longer than a Fox news flash. cool
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Errata: Absent developed brain matter, rumor is that those will than be save from anything zombie, not interested to spoon the cranium.

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BIG SUNSPOTS: After more than a week of quiet, solar activity is picking up--- http://spaceweather.com/ I would be Sub-Cranium tongue http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2003/19feb_nlc/
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