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Re: Not sure how much longer they will be able to keep crunching in the UK

Strange that Sek as appears as though it's a perfectly normal temperature at the North Pole

http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.php

Have you checked out just how much extra Sea Ice Extent there is at the South Pole

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/07/03/antarct...-in-the-satellite-record/

Strange that what with your Globe never having been warmer biggrin

Keep on frightening the Kids Sek

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txvb let's hope we have the chance here to make the difference
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O dear o dear o dear (we heard DA once say), a new sat (Cryosat2), the first one bombed during launch 4 years ago as a great scientific loss, and all hopes shift that what we knew before will dramatically change what we know about the long known to be dismissed, the inconvenient parts particularly... but what about all those other sats used as input, and the USA Navy data that's hard to come by? There's for instance also Envisat of ESA.
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Living_Planet_Sym...MGEUOZVAG_1.html#subhead1

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An animation of Antarctica, derived from the radar altimeter (RA2) instrument on ESA’s Envisat satellite, illustrating the variations in the surface height on ice sheet from 2003 to 2010. The colour-coded values indicate the surface height difference between that particular time and the average over the Envisat observation period. Many glaciers show red values at the beginning and deep blue at the end of the time series, indicating that they are thinning dramatically.

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An animation of Greenland, derived from the radar altimeter (RA2) instrument on ESA’s Envisat satellite, illustrating the variations in the surface height on ice sheet from 2003 to 2010. The colour-coded values indicate the surface height difference between that particular time and the average over the Envisat observation period. Many glaciers show red values at the beginning and deep blue at the end of the time series, indicating that they are thinning dramatically.

Those climate/biology/chemical/physics scientists must be a real bunch of complete numb brains, at least so is time and again indicated in this thread, by the Ain't True side of this world... it's all made up for the money and the power and the control: Thou shalleth not smoke for it's bad for your health... but but but you government, you cant tell me I can't smoke. If I wanna smoke, it's my problem. (except who wants to be passively exposed to smoke and get lung cancer and only from such small quantities?)

PS: was reading a funny story of a scientist that was very successful at requesting funding for his lauded researches to the point that he was requesting more on future projects (he was already working on), till one day, shock, the new grant request proposal was rejected as impossible... which is when he fezzed up that he already had completed the work and proven it is possible. Almost 2 centuries ago scientists way ahead of their time in their own class (like Leonardo, like Albert, like Galileo) warned for fossil fuel burning and what CO2 in the air would/could do in larger quantities... billions and billions of tonnes more. Now we know it starts the job reacting first to 15 um long wave radiation emitted from earth back to space, finding an obstacle on the way up, CO2 starting to vibrate, handing off the resultant heat to the other 95% of the greenhouse gases... water vapor, remember! I just wonder, how does 391 parts per million in the atmospheric content get to do that and more than the 280 it was not 200 years ago? A consumer electronics maker figured out how a microwave works and should not be used to quickly dry your poodle! There's allot of sun light coming down in short wave form and going out at long wave... and CO2 gas mols love it... It IS True!
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Lucifer is playing up, now Nansen Arctic ROOS puts the 2010 Sea Ice Extent smack on that 2007 path... Et al, shall we quietly sit back waiting till September 13, for one more moment in time to ask for yet another delay, when temps up north are going south?


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Farmers report from the Netherlands: The ground water table is very poor... conditions normally seen only once every 20 years!



Found the Prof. David Barber video of his 60 minutes presentation at the 2010 Polar Year Oslo science conference http://video.hint.no/mmt201v10/osc/?vid=55. He voyaged with that Icebreaker captain through the multi year ice sea pack, at 13 knots. The Amundsen hit shoals that were 12 meters thick and the sea ice just disintegrated... it's very very rotten!

"Entertaining and Scary" one described the presentation, there are still those that claim it Ain't True and hand wave 'just a model'. Except the 'model' is build of real data... lots of it... lots of Inuit provide data too. They see the permafrost go from under their feet.

PS: Forecast for agricultural prices are good, for the producers.
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Correction: Was listening while typing to a replay and at 25:30 minutes forward the ice that was broken was actually 14 meters thick. hmmm, again the sats are noted to overstate the overall thickness (something I mentioned some months ago). That's what the on-the-ground findings discover repeatedly! Cryosat2 commissioning is making good headways. The PIOMAS 'model' could turn out ... fill in the dots. tired

PS: Under minus 11C up top, the sea ice start melting from below.
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O dear o dear o dear (we heard DA once say), a new sat (Cryosat2), the first one bombed during launch 4 years ago as a great scientific loss, and all hopes shift that what we knew before will dramatically change what we know about the long known to be dismissed, the inconvenient parts particularly... but what about all those other sats used as input, and the USA Navy data that's hard to come by? There's for instance also Envisat of ESA.
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Living_Planet_Sym...MGEUOZVAG_1.html#subhead1

Article Images
Image of the day: Thinning ice sheets

30 June 2010

Back to article
Download: HI-RES ZIP (Size: 1260 kb)
An animation of Antarctica, derived from the radar altimeter (RA2) instrument on ESA’s Envisat satellite, illustrating the variations in the surface height on ice sheet from 2003 to 2010. The colour-coded values indicate the surface height difference between that particular time and the average over the Envisat observation period. Many glaciers show red values at the beginning and deep blue at the end of the time series, indicating that they are thinning dramatically.

Back to article
Download: HI-RES ZIP (Size: 1148 kb)
An animation of Greenland, derived from the radar altimeter (RA2) instrument on ESA’s Envisat satellite, illustrating the variations in the surface height on ice sheet from 2003 to 2010. The colour-coded values indicate the surface height difference between that particular time and the average over the Envisat observation period. Many glaciers show red values at the beginning and deep blue at the end of the time series, indicating that they are thinning dramatically.

Those climate/biology/chemical/physics scientists must be a real bunch of complete numb brains, at least so is time and again indicated in this thread, by the Ain't True side of this world... it's all made up for the money and the power and the control: Thou shalleth not smoke for it's bad for your health... but but but you government, you cant tell me I can't smoke. If I wanna smoke, it's my problem. (except who wants to be passively exposed to smoke and get lung cancer and only from such small quantities?)

PS: was reading a funny story of a scientist that was very successful at requesting funding for his lauded researches to the point that he was requesting more on future projects (he was already working on), till one day, shock, the new grant request proposal was rejected as impossible... which is when he fezzed up that he already had completed the work and proven it is possible. Almost 2 centuries ago scientists way ahead of their time in their own class (like Leonardo, like Albert, like Galileo) warned for fossil fuel burning and what CO2 in the air would/could do in larger quantities... billions and billions of tonnes more. Now we know it starts the job reacting first to 15 um long wave radiation emitted from earth back to space, finding an obstacle on the way up, CO2 starting to vibrate, handing off the resultant heat to the other 95% of the greenhouse gases... water vapor, remember! I just wonder, how does 391 parts per million in the atmospheric content get to do that and more than the 280 it was not 200 years ago? A consumer electronics maker figured out how a microwave works and should not be used to quickly dry your poodle! There's allot of sun light coming down in short wave form and going out at long wave... and CO2 gas mols love it... It IS True!

When i was younger i moved next to the shipyard here Newport News Shipbuilding--did not notice any pollution
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When i was younger i moved next to the shipyard here Newport News Shipbuilding--did not notice any pollution
I suggest you take really good care of yourself as it seems you weren't looking in the right places:
http://www.scorecard.org/env-releases/facility.tcl?tri_id=23607NWPRT4101W#maps
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When i was younger i moved next to the shipyard here Newport News Shipbuilding--did not notice any pollution
I suggest you take really good care of yourself as it seems you weren't looking in the right places:
http://www.scorecard.org/env-releases/facility.tcl?tri_id=23607NWPRT4101W#maps

Thats why i moved there--its so nice!
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A bit dated 2002!
Anyway far from the shores of the mother land.
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