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The Hockey Stick Graph of Al Gore's Scissor lift propaganda movie fame "The Convenient Tax Gathering Ruse"




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skgiven not sure if you were around when I first raised this which is being done in the name of this climate change madness !!


http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/busines...lities/article3964866.ece

Now that is unbelievable


right on the button Gerald on the Arctic smile
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Assessing an IPCC assessment. An analysis of statements on projected regional impacts in the 2007 report
http://www.pbl.nl/en/publications/2010/Assess...s-in-the-2007-report.html

The PBL Netherlands Environmental Assessment Agency has investigated the scientific foundations for the IPCC summary conclusions of the Fourth Assessment Report of 2007 on projected regional climate-change impacts, at the request of the Dutch Minister for the Environment. Overall the summary conclusions are considered well founded, none have been found to contain any significant errors.

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CBO report: Kerry's climate bill would cut deficit by $19b:
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/political...0/07/cbo_report_kerr.html

Senator John F. Kerry’s signature energy and climate change legislation would cut the deficit by $19 billion, according to a new estimate released today by the Congressional Budget Office.

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Rutgers June Average Snow cover anomaly since 1967:


The globe is cooling they say, but the trend is telling a loud story... and still there are those that don't hear, it IS true. Just this amount is enough to nullify any sun-low... something about albedo change... it used to be 0.39
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A few times being a thinker and word spreader that AGW or ACC (Anthropogenic Climate Change) is real [vehemently laughter breaks lose in the Ain't True quarters], we've seen some throwing the 'new religion' or even 'AGW religious fanatics' label. Well Prof. Scott Mandia has a nice one up for a while. Hold your seat & pants... It's True:

Knowledge vs Belief: Are AGW Proponents Gullible?

This post is a mirror of Knowledge vs Belief: Are AGW Proponents gullible? on the outstanding blog Friends of Gin & Tonic . (If you enjoy intellectual sarcasm, FoGT is your blog!) I have received permission from the author to repost here.

A Rant by Gunkl, modified by Dr. Schweinsgruber

Some skeptics consider proponents of what the broad body of science and the IPPC say, that global warming is manmade and real, as true believers: knowledge vs. belief. This is principally true, albeit it is the other way round.

That is because this ‘belief’ that AGW is true is not contained in a confessional framework, which only holds together by a multitude of non-testable additional statements. It is rather a reasonable assumption based on the knowledge of physical laws and empirical observations.

In other words, proponents of AGW do not believe this in a religious sense but in a pragmatic one, based on knowledge.

People who do not believe that AGW is real do this in a dramaturgy that has religious patterns. The opposite of knowing is not not-knowing but believing. Not knowing something can be remedied by knowledge. Just ask somebody who knows that and you know it, too.

Things that are believed in a religious way are being corrected by the normative power of fact because the statement to be believed was formulated without knowing the facts. Is the fallacy obvious and provable, then the believed statement is not revised, however blocked from the harsh reality by a false, protective statement, in which facts should run out of steam. An example is intelligent design.

What does this mean for climate change denial? Climate skeptics believe that global warming cannot be triggered by greenhouse gases because this is physically not possible. But this does not hold water. Science proves that wrong. Now the skeptics could say: ‘Wow, I didn’t know that, I have learnt something. Done deal!’ This would be the case if we were talking knowledge – but this is not the case.

Therefore, an additional statement is attached to the believed item: it is a conspiracy. The physicists are wrong. This statement is supported by the fact that ‘these physicists’ use the elitist language that has been disliked from school days on: the language of maths, which is considered a secret language, but only by those who do not want to learn it. Maths is actually quite a public language. Once a group of people has been caught using secret language, this opens the door for a conspiracy theory.

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Sek sorry if you posted this before


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A revisit never harms, eso... it makes it blatantly obvious also what PIOMAS is publishing, dismissed as 'model' [without a shred of evidence that it were not wrong **]. The Multi Year Ice (MY or MYI) overall. There's an incredible amount of energy stored in the oceans, several consecutive La Nina cycles helped to capture more, just waiting to come up. The sea ice in the Beaufort and Chukchi sea has been knocked to shreds [the circled area], just as what the Amundsen Captain reported in his log: The Ice Is Rotten!

** Got a beauty waiting by someone who did a parallel analysis of the PIOMAS work, the day after DA handwaved... one could almost think the guy is aware of this thread :P, (but really the handwave was not the first one... that by military style coordination from such luminary institutes as the SPPI got Aint True-d, (who silently did a big retraction of what Watts et al were spouting on the Climategate front). Nothing as good as independent ground up without code replication.
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Climategate Investigations Are Arrogant Insults-- http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/25124
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Dr Martin Hertzberg in Explosive Attack on Global Warming Theory-- http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/25077
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