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Former Member
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I was not playing word games, you apparently were. First it was non team members who did the majority then it was individuals not supercrunchers.
I think you`ll find most users are 24/7 or comparitively close. As for academic or corporate machines where I come from these are not switched off. I think you will agree most supercrunchers use BOINC - it's the only way to get maximum performance out of dual core and hyperthreaded machines. Again this term supercruncher which really needs a tighter definition by you. Most of our team users including the individual lap top etc., use Boinc. Some have 1 machine some have 40 they run 24/7 and are totally committed apparently beyond economics in your view. Yes we started out with one machine and some of us grew dedicated to DC and it is this dedicated band that I think you`ll find crunch the VAST majority for WCG, be they in part of academia or a corporation. The vast majority are dedicated crunchers not the few cycles a day cruncher. Why am I arguing ? Because I believe you were wrong in your points, to attempt to educate you. Perhaps to show that you as the face of WCG should not allude to things you don`t know as fact and should never be drawn into arguing such. I in my INDIVIDUAL status can allude how I please but I`ll be prepared to say when I`m wrong. |
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Former Member
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Shall I ask a staff member to explain it to you?
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Former Member
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Shall I ask a staff member to explain it to you? Hmmm Attempt at wit or serious question ????? What are we attempting to illuminate me on ? ( For a moment there I thought you`d learnt something, I was wrong and you`re drawn in to carry it on). [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Nov 20, 2006 4:53:55 PM] |
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Former Member
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( For a moment there I thought you`d learnt something, I was wrong and you`re drawn in to carry it on). Ah, now we're getting somewhere. A straightforward confession of trolling. Now that I can solve. |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
No Didatylos you were / are wrong on all counts.
----------------------------------------You really have a problem admitting you`re wrong don`t you and to accuse me of trolling is an affront and very much in that light from yourself. I have kept it impersonal as much as possible but now YOU ARE name calling. I think this bears out what a lot of us already know re you. You lost the discussion and now revert to base, to what you truely are. You really should NOT hold the position you do. [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Nov 20, 2006 6:10:22 PM] |
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Michael H.W. Weber
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Please remember the core idea of grid computing: to tap an unused, wasted resource. While it is fun to run a server farm (if you have the money) it may not be the best way to contribute to the science. A few times in these forums people have worked out the costs of grid computing, and the bottom line is this: grid computing only in spare cycles, while the computer is on already, costs a negligible amount. You probably lose more money down the back of sofas than you will donating time to WCG. But if you run a dedicated computer 24/7, then the costs add up very, very quickly indeed - and if you add the initial purchase cost, then this turns out to be a very, very expensive hobby. If you only care about points, or about the fun of stressing PCs to their limits, then all well and good. Well, here you are only arguing from the view-point of "your" SUPPORTERS (i.e. us). Project leaders will take a look at this issue from a VERY different angle (and the public will not be asked). Of course only, because they don't have to pay our electricity bills - which is perfectly ok since we DECIDED on our own to support their ideas. But tell me, how e.g. would climate problems be analyzed under todays funding circumstances in the scientific community if not by using a DC project? To my knowledge, Americas current policy towards "climate problems" is: NOT OF OUR CONCERN. Do you want to build another "Earth Simulator" every second month to keep up with the current demand for computation power in this matter? Well, that would be nice and maybe (it is not really that clear!) more cost-effective, but IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN, because big boss has decided to rather invest the required money in "research" for a fancy new weapon system (probably to move over to a different country as soon as future climate dictates that America is no longer a good place to live in  ). Well - it is just one example. You can replace the climate problem by virtually every other scientific problem currently under investigation by means of DC projects.However, if you want to contribute the maximum to the advancement of science, or you want to prevent damage to the environment, then perhaps you should power down your spare computers. I don't think that currently there is a more straight-forward way of selecting new potential drug candidates than virtual drug screening to cleverly choose from the many molecular options. As no specialized and publicly available supercomputer dedicated to solving such kind of problems will be build due to financial constraints, I believe that DC is currently the way to contribute the maximum to the advancement of this science.  Michael.
President of Rechenkraft.net - This planet's first & largest distributed computing NGO. We make those things possible that supercomputers don't. Twitter contact.
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Former Member
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snip.. TheLazySlug can hook you up with a transform that will adjust all the setup settings to suit your particular needs. snip... I would like to get my hands on that transform...can you hook me up? |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Here you go: http://www.thelazyslug.com/boinc.htm
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Thank you very much.
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
No Didatylos you were / are wrong on all counts. About 10 posts up you were foaming at the mouth over how difficult it is to setup multiple BOINC machines. Yes, foaming until Didactylos showed you were totally wrong about that. I think this bears out what a lot of us already know re you. You lost the discussion and now revert to base, to what you truely are. You ignored all the facts, even the clues Didactylos so generously provided for you. Then you extrapolated some hogwash based on trends in your own team and now try to convince us all WCG members follow the same trend. If you had done your homework you would have discovered that the WCG staff have long recognised that the 250,000 users number is not correct. There are numerous posts where they admit the problem needs to be fixed. In this thread alone, IIRC, a source for more reliable stats was posted which indicates there are a scant 25,000 or so active users. Didactylos has given you an accurate breakdown of who is doing the lion's share of the work and it definitely isn't you, your team, teams like your team or the summation of all teams. Trouble is, your head is soooo filled with the complete and utter wonderfulness of you it's impossible for you to conceive that it could be any other way than the way you want it to be. Your "I think you will find" argument proves nothing. -- This post has been edited to comply with forum rules - nelsoc [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Nov 21, 2006 4:01:13 AM] |
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