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Former Member
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+-------------------+ .:\:\:/:/:. I don't understand this "bump" thing either. I don't get it either...maybe it means to bump the trolls account so it can't post anymore. |
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Former Member
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elitists often forget who paves the road, who stocks the shelves and who makes sure all the sewage drains away....... remember : every once in a while all us drones take our balls and go home , especially at times when you think you do it all by yourselves. and then you whine. other senseless remarks can be read at my blog : my blog Yes, drones do take their balls and go home occassionally. Then they set about designing their own road and sewer. Later, when the roads have crumbled and their basements are full of backed up sewage they ask the elite to fix it and design it properly for them. Some drones know why they're drones and they're happy to be what they are and leave it at that. Others drones are just so full of hate and jealousy but, alas, devoid of the ambition it takes to become elite. Instead of doing the work it takes to be elite they think they can fake it with tough talk and a few catch phrases. . -- This post has been edited to comply with forum rules - nelsoc [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Nov 20, 2006 3:47:18 PM] |
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Former Member
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A few times in these forums people have worked out the costs of grid computing, and the bottom line is this: grid computing only in spare cycles, while the computer is on already, costs a negligible amount. You probably lose more money down the back of sofas than you will donating time to WCG. But if you run a dedicated computer 24/7, then the costs add up very, very quickly indeed - and if you add the initial purchase cost, then this turns out to be a very, very expensive hobby. If you only care about points, or about the fun of stressing PCs to their limits, then all well and good. However, if you want to contribute the maximum to the advancement of science, or you want to prevent damage to the environment, then perhaps you should power down your spare computers. Very quickly as I`m busy atm....I`ll come back later for the rest. If one takes a green perspective then most of modern life is uneconomical. How much is a cure for Cancer/AIDS worth ???? Is most of R&D uneconomical ? I will come back to spare cycles V the dedicated 24/7 cruncher later. |
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Former Member
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As a quick glance at the stats should show you, the VAST majority of WCG's power comes from individuals, often unaffiliated with any team. Second come the corporate or academic contributions - networks of hundreds or thousands of computers, with cycles going spare. These are computers in schools and offices, in regular use. The supercrunchers with dedicated computer farms and maybe tens or even hundreds of computers solely dedicated to WCG come third, and (even counting all the overclocker/supercruncher team members, whether they have 2 or 20 computers) they only account for a small fraction of WCG's total. Of the 235,821 Total members as stated per stats......This is team stats World Community Grid Team Summary Teams Created 12,793 Members Joined 103,962 Didactylos, I haven`t time atm to chase these but I ask that you look again at what you`re saying. These are stats from WCG....Are you saying they are wrong ? [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Nov 20, 2006 11:18:34 AM] |
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Former Member
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I think you're misinterpreting those stats. Only a very few of those teams are supercruncher teams. Most of the very large teams are corporate or academic teams, while other large teams are simply collections of individual crunchers coming together under a common heading.
Less than half of the members have joined a team at all, and many of those teams only have one or two members. Of course, these stats include inactive members, so they shouldn't be taken as definitive. |
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keithhenry
Ace Cruncher Senile old farts of the world ....uh.....uh..... nevermind Joined: Nov 18, 2004 Post Count: 18667 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Folks, personal attacks are a clear violation of the forum rules. Please edit your posts accordingly. Anyone who continues to make personal attacks will be reported to the WCG admins. Healthy, indeed passionate, debate of topics is fine but please keep the insults and name calling out of it.
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Former Member
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It looks like nelsoc missed a few. He'll finish cleaning up in a short while.
(And when you do, I think you should remove all the "bump" and "troll" posts, because they are misleading following perfectly harmless posts from other members. Thanks Nels.) |
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Former Member
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I think you're misinterpreting those stats. Only a very few of those teams are supercruncher teams. Most of the very large teams are corporate or academic teams, while other large teams are simply collections of individual crunchers coming together under a common heading. Less than half of the members have joined a team at all, and many of those teams only have one or two members. Of course, these stats include inactive members, so they shouldn't be taken as definitive. I think you`re defining how you want it to be seen. I`ll come back with some more figures later. |
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Former Member
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Before I go off into the wild blue and find stats etc., a job I abhor let`s look at some of your previous statements.
----------------------------------------The whole idea is that grid computing uses spare capacity that already exists. It can be argued, in fact, that buying additional computers and running them 24/7 is not only uneconomical, it is also not energy efficient. What is economical on a research project ? What is a cure worth ? The vast majority of WCG members (hundreds of thousands of them!) are average computer users, donating a few spare cycles. Obviously, WCG would like to do everything they can to keep the supercrunchers like yourself happy, but their main focus, and the reasoning behind their policies, must always be dictated by that silent majority. The vast majority in terms of work are dedicated, yes they all use computers whether for work or pleasure but it`s more than a few spare cycles. Am I a supercruncher ? I have 4 dual machines, 2 are my daughters and 2 I run.....Please remember I`m in the IT trade so the definition of supercruncher needs some clearing up. Regards work or school computers they are possibly there due to the dedication of someone within the system who is prepared to go out and put forward the project to the Company or educational facility head. A lot of those people who do so would possibly be classed as supercrunchers in your definition. You said: As a quick glance at the stats should show you, the VAST majority of WCG's power comes from individuals, often unaffiliated with any team. Then later Only a very few of those teams are supercruncher teams. Most of the very large teams are corporate or academic teams, while other large teams are simply collections of individual crunchers coming together under a common heading. So as I stated earlier you are moving your argument and twisting out of what you stated earlier. Everyone is an individual, every team member, every supercruncher, whatever the definition of that is. Of course, these stats include inactive members, so they shouldn't be taken as definitive. I will agree with that but have to say it will most likely be individuals rather than teams that have quit, of course there are individuals in teams who have quit too. Even if I say the proportion could possibly be equal we`re back at what I stated. Regards your uneconomical statement, which to me is slightly absurd cos what is the price of a cure for Cancer, would you say what EasyNews does is uneconomical ? They are virtually paying for WU`s is that absurd to you ? As I stated previously if you take the green standpoint then modern life is a misnomer where our grandchildren etc., will pay dearly for our luxuries. Perhaps we could have that discussion in another thread ! I think you will find that the majority of work here is done by the dedicated cruncher not the odd spare cycle cruncher which you appear to be convinced is happening. Whether these dedicated crunchers are part of an organisation or own it does not matter you are simply trying to get these on your side of the equation by twisting the argument. We`ll go back to your original statement... As a quick glance at the stats should show you, the VAST majority of WCG's power comes from individuals, often unaffiliated with any team. So you state the VAST majority of work comes from non team members ? Are you standing by that ? Or will you use the often to twist out of it ? We`re all individuals don`t forget. [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Nov 20, 2006 3:08:13 PM] |
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Former Member
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Well, if you want to play word games, I will do my best to accomodate you.
Supercrunchers are people who run computers for the sole purpose of crunching. There are a few supercrunchers on my team, they do a great job. The individuals I speak of are simply people with one computer. Most of them are only crunching when their computers are normally on. Academic and corporate networks should never be run when those computer are normally turned off. Doing that would cost the company or school a massive amount, and no responsible IT manager would permit it. I know at least one, though, who finds WCG useful for burn in testing. I really don't know why you're trying to turn this into an argument. WCG is aimed squarely at the average computer user, and they have been very successful in attracting them. For example, BOINC only accounts for a comparatively small (but growing) percentage of the WCG membership. I think you will agree most supercrunchers use BOINC - it's the only way to get maximum performance out of dual core and hyperthreaded machines. |
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