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Former Member
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Firstly, and most importantly, I want to address your last point about the relationship between WCG and their members. WCG have asked nobody to go out and buy computers. The whole idea is that grid computing uses spare capacity that already exists. It can be argued, in fact, that buying additional computers and running them 24/7 is not only uneconomical, it is also not energy efficient. So, exactly how much computer time you chose to donate, please remember that it is your decision, and WCG only ask for the capacity that would otherwise go to waste. WCG are grateful no matter how much or little you donate. Didactylos as the official face of WCG you are saying here that the farms etc are not what`s intended nor are they economical, nor do WCG care that you dedicate time and lots of money in the form of hardware to the project. IF THIS IS THE OFFICIAL LINE YOU MAY FIND A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL WITHDRAW FROM THE PROJECT. Howether if this is personal opinion may I suggest in future you find another username to post under. Your comments are a direct slap in the face to a lot of dedicated people. I ask you to rethink your remarks. The vast majority of WCG members (hundreds of thousands of them!) are average computer users, donating a few spare cycles. The vast majority of crunching is done by dedicated teams 24/7, which appears to your view to be unnecessary, unwarranted and uneconomical. [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Nov 19, 2006 4:09:14 PM] |
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Michael H.W. Weber
Cruncher Germany Joined: May 22, 2005 Post Count: 11 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Sie dürfen Ihren fruste auch auf Deutsch ausdrucken.... verstehe es wunderbar. Na, das ist aber eine angenehme Überraschung.  Ich denke aber, wir bleiben beim Englisch, dann kann es jeder verfolgen.Wenn Sie viel rechenkraft zu Verfügung haben könnten sie ein Partnerschaft eingehen. WCG hat fast dreihundert solche Verträge. Sie meinen dies hier, nehme ich an: http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/about_us/viewOurPartners.do Da sollten wir angesichts unserer bisherigen "Taten" ohnehin stehen, so wie viele andere DC Teams auch und zwar unabhängig davon, daß wir im Gegensatz zu den anderen eine Organisation sind, finde ich. Michael.
President of Rechenkraft.net - This planet's first & largest distributed computing NGO. We make those things possible that supercomputers don't. Twitter contact.
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Sgt.Joe
Ace Cruncher USA Joined: Jul 4, 2006 Post Count: 7699 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Hello to all:
----------------------------------------I have read the ongoing discussion with much interest. I do think most people are quite altruistic in their willingness to donate their resources for worthwhile projects whether in applied or basic research. That being said there is a need for some to not only contribute but to also, as an outgrowth of that contribution, to compete. There is nothing wrong with the competition. Unless carried too far, competion can provide a vehicle to improve the entire process. (Carried too far would be spending the food-rent-mortgage money on computing capacity or devoting so much time to any "hobby" that your family or your life is unduly impacted.) As an analogy to the view about donating unused cycles I think it would be akin to how we use our cars. Some like to customize their vehicles i.e. better interiors, bigger,faster engines, more towing capacity, more payload etc. It is no fun doing this if you can't show someone else what a good job you did. Also, doing workunits on donated cycles is like taking small packages from where you already are to where you would be going anyway. The additional weight of several pounds in a vehicle is negligible so any extra cost is pretty much non-existent. However I may want to show off my fleet of customized cars and drive them for show while carrying your packages as a sideline. If you wanted to move a large number of packages you could use many cars (some slow, some fast)(PC's) which would be on the roads anyway. Or you could use a truck(workstation), large semi-truck(server), train(server farm) or ship(supercomputer). I have one vehicle, I carry your package when I go somewhere anyway and over my lifetime I will not live long enough to carry as many packages as a ship. But the collective efforts of us little guys will have some effect. OK, so the the analogy is a bit hoky. I understand carl h's need to have a level playing field for points/competition/fairness. I also think Didactylos has tried to explain how the system is working and what steps have been taken to alleviate various concerns which which have been raised. He has made the point that everyone's contribution is appreciated. I think the point has also been made that any changes take time so some patience is necessary (not infinite patience however). I have confidence the system will improve over time. Good luck to all  Cheers Sgt.Joe Minnesota Crunchers
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zombie67 [MM]
Senior Cruncher USA Joined: May 26, 2006 Post Count: 228 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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I'm going to disregard most of this, since I've made my points clear already. But there is one item I need to respond to:
----------------------------------------Installing the official client isn't so very burdensome. This is clearly not true for those of us with 10's or 100's of machines. And don't assume that there aren't many with those numbers. According to BOINCstats, there are 11k active users, and 25k active hosts. That's an average of 2.3 hosts per user. Now, my guess is that the majority are single host users. So to get to an average of 2.3, you need a *lot* of users with 10's or 100's of machines.  |
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mike047
Senior Cruncher Joined: Aug 22, 2006 Post Count: 262 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I'm going to disregard most of this, since I've made my points clear already. But there is one item I need to respond to: Installing the official client isn't so very burdensome. This is clearly not true for those of us with 10's or 100's of machines. And don't assume that there aren't many with those numbers. According to BOINCstats, there are 11k active users, and 25k active hosts. That's an average of 2.3 hosts per user. Now, my guess is that the majority are single host users. So to get to an average of 2.3, you need a *lot* of users with 10's or 100's of machines. Actually is is rather simple and not very time consuming to alter client on a lot of boxes. I have 42 full time crunchers and when I redid mine it was virtually effortless; remove 4 items from BOINC, do a repair from appropriate client, kick the tires and light the fires......VERY easy.
mike
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Sekerob
Ace Cruncher Joined: Jul 24, 2005 Post Count: 20043 Status: Offline |
mike047,
----------------------------------------is there a write up.... read of some members compiling some sort of network install pack, so they could update remote machines.... anything to simplify it for the farm crunchers would be greatly appreciated. As u observe, on BOiNC there are a lot more than we perceive. Largest i know of is RCTCgrid... he manages 1500 machines under one member... sure he will be eternally grateful, also when it comes to bug fixing like he'd to do, switching off the BOiNC screensavers. cheers.
WCG
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mike047
Senior Cruncher Joined: Aug 22, 2006 Post Count: 262 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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HI,
----------------------------------------I believe that someone from our team has written script to do that, I am not sure. Maybe they will chime in. Mine are done manually as these[42] are home computers.
mike
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zombie67 [MM]
Senior Cruncher USA Joined: May 26, 2006 Post Count: 228 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Actually is is rather simple and not very time consuming to alter client on a lot of boxes. I have 42 full time crunchers and when I redid mine it was virtually effortless; remove 4 items from BOINC, do a repair from appropriate client, kick the tires and light the fires......VERY easy. Wow. I have no idea what you just said. For me, the process is go go machine #1, fire up browser, download client. Then quit BOINC, run installer, which restarts BOINC upon completion. Move to machine #2 and repeat process. With a fast connection, and a quick (P4+) machine, that is about a 1 minute process per machine. It also assumes all the machines are local. If they are remote, you need to add a step to connect to the machine over the network, or (ugh) travel to the remote site. So for a guy that has 100 machines, that works out to 1 hour, 40 minutes best case. Not trivial to find that kind of time. |
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mike047
Senior Cruncher Joined: Aug 22, 2006 Post Count: 262 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Load the BOINC client to a USB thumb drive,
----------------------------------------Stop client. in the BOINC folder, Delete; boinc boinc.dll boinccmd boincmgr leave everything else in the boinc folder and re-install. It will ask you if you want to repair or full reinstall. Check repair. You will not lose any work and it will start back where you left off:D piece of cake, 2 min with practice:D
mike
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zombie67 [MM]
Senior Cruncher USA Joined: May 26, 2006 Post Count: 228 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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piece of cake, 2 min with practice:D Okay. Another way to do it. At 2 minutes per, the guy with 100 units needs to spend over 3 hours....assuming same location. Any way you look at it, getting back to my point, it *is* burdensome for those with many machines. |
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