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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Oook oook! Dagorath - some good suggestions in there. You're a salesman right?
So I went around the problem and talked directly to the guy that tells the IT guys what to do. So that's how I get it going at work... When I explain to them that their computer talks only to servers in the custody of knowledgeable professionals Of course: use the IBM name! Another fear newbies have is that WCG will send them thousands of executables ..... A critical point: I know that - but they might not know it. Now I realise that its me that's going to have to call the TV station! |
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As I was walking by an internet cafe today, I paused and looked in the window. I noticed several 'puters running even though they were not in use. "Aha", said I, "a herd of potential crunchers". In I went, looked around and saw that ALL the machines were on though only 2 were in use. Purrrrfect! That is a great idea. And, as it happens, I know a UFie who has (had?) responsibility for computers in a certain well-known coffee chain.... Hmmmm.... |
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I don't know if the WCG will have an advertising budget in the future - it depends on IBM. I hope so, but it seems unlikely it will be big enough for a full scale install CD campaign. My idea was to get corporate sponsors to pay for a free CD installation campaign, lots of sponsors each contributing a little money = a big campaign, all around the globe. Something like this... 1. Work up some graphics, nothing complicated, in jpg files, something to show what a display will look like and that it looks nice, something you would not be embarassed to put in your store. So far you've built only 1 display and photographed it or created images of what the display will look like when mass produced. The display could be a simple corrugated cardboard affair that folds into shape with tabs that lock and hold it together. You might convince a cardboard box manufacturer to provide them to you at his cost or slightly below or maybe even gratis. 2. Determine the cost of producing, oh say, 1K displays and 500K CDs. Now figure the cost of a kit consisting of 1 display and 250 CDs. Notice that leaves you 250K CDs left over. 3. Tack on cost of shipping 1 display kit. Maybe fudge the number up a bit to cover the cost of the 250K CDs remaining from step 2. 4. Contact BigBox Computers Ltd., tell them yada yada yada, show them the pics of your nice display and ask them how many displays they would like to buy, they've got 200 stores, they'll commit to 200 displays and write it off as charity or work WCG into their new ad campaign with phrases like "we help fight disease by partnering with WCG" or something similar and write off the display cost as advertising. 5. Contact a bazillion other stores, banks, etc. get committments for displays. 6. 1 month later tally the number of committments you've obtained. If the numbers work then manufacture the displays and ship them, if the numbers don't work then abandon the project or contact your committments and tell them you need X% more $$ per display to make it work. 7. A month later BigBox Computers requests more CDs, you send more for free because you paid for them in step 3. 8. Requests for CDs from your distributors dwindles to almost zero, you've got 20K CDs left but they're paid for in step 3 so send them to Tiger Direct or other mail order houses and ask them to drop a CD in each order they ship out until they're all gone 9. 2 Months later contact BigBox Computers and request 3 free server boxes, network components, Cat5 cable, etc. because now your servers are overloaded and you can't pump out the work fast enough to satisfy all those new crunchers. 10. Have big party!! 11. Rev up your resume with details of how you took WCG from 160K crunchers to 300K crunchers with corporate donations. 12. Send email to ol' Dagorath thanking him for the cool idea. Challenge: someone send me jpgs of a display and the projected cost of a display kit and I will obtain committment for 30 displays here in the Province of Alberta, Canada, within 3 months. -- |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Don't forget the cost of warehousing, and shipping all this stuff around the world.
A CD is a tempting idea, because it really is easy for technophobes to cope with. Autorun! Yay! There are some things that need doing first, though. We need to wait for the next stable BOINC release, and co-brand it. We need to wait for IBM to stop sitting on their hands and work out a policy for the use of their official WCG logo. And we need to design the CD contents so it will work on Windows, Linux and Mac machines. Really, IBM are the people to do this. They have the warehousing and distribution channels, and $DEITY knows they press enough CDs. I really can't see stores actually paying to display these things. Doing it for free, for charity - sure. But paying? I'm dubious. |
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Another fear newbies have is that WCG will send them thousands of executables ..... A critical point: I know that - but they might not know it. Now I realise that its me that's going to have to call the TV station! I visited my barber today and cleaned up the computer shack. Make that call Snowlizard, you know you want to be on TV. Who knows? Today the news, tomorrow Hollywood and a cameo beside Angelina Jolie. Mmmmm. The problem with the executables is a tough one, yes, but remember that those who don't know usually want to know. If you can dumb it down for them a little they can walk away with a better underestanding or at least confidence that you know what you are talking about when you tell them it's safe. It's easier in a 1 on 1 conversation, much harder to do in a few short paragraphs in an FAQ. -- |
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I really can't see stores actually paying to display these things. Doing it for free, for charity - sure. But paying? I'm dubious. They wouldn't be "paying to display free CDs". They would be "funding a scientific investigation into the causes of disease and/or cures for disease". See how it goes down better if you word it right? Now, if IBM is considering funding a CD then pass along my blessing and encouragement. But don't be surprised if Redmond puts the kibosh on it or maybe big blue will just alienate everyone and we'll see another roof top party. Oh, I'm a bmer at heart and lament the death of os/2, but blue has an attitude that grates sometimes. I'll add the following, just so you know where I was coming from and then I'll drop the topic if there is no further interest. The scheme I offered was proposed to me by a gal who sits on the BOD of a local financial institution. They have 30 branches througout the province and some 10,000 people walk through their doors every day. She thinks spending $500 per display for 30 displays is quite doable if the CDs are of a high standard. In return they would want to have the right to say something like "we support WCG" in their advertising. That helps them and it spreads the WCG name and logo even further via advertising they (the finaancial institution) pays for. See how the benefits spin off in everybody's favor? -- |
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Former Member
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A CD is a tempting idea, because it really is easy for technophobes to cope with. Autorun! Yay! I second that. I had earlier thought "how do I get one on CD to hand out?" There are some things that need doing first, though. We need to wait for the next stable BOINC release, and co-brand it. We need to wait for IBM to stop sitting on their hands and work out a policy for the use of their official WCG logo. And we need to design the CD contents so it will work on Windows, Linux and Mac machines. Really, IBM are the people to do this. They have the warehousing and distribution channels, and $DEITY knows they press enough CDs. So - you advise we need to wait for all this to happen first? Do you have dates, contact names so we can push this along? I really can't see stores actually paying to display these things. Doing it for free, for charity - sure. But paying? I'm dubious. If they have bought into the "responsible corporate citizen" concept, as many companies have, they will have a budget for it. Dagorath has give us a credible scenario: although I am not sure about the scale. If we piloted it small scale beforehand we might even get the 500K CD costs underwritten by IBM, say. Umm....I just realised something: do any of your newspapers give away film CDs? They do in the UK. they are usually ones everyone has seen, but its made me realise that there is a practised mass-distribution system out there that can be hitched onto. By the way - did anyone estimate how much more computation time was needed to finish the currently-planned tasks? How many more members can IBM's server handle? Planning for sucess means we don't want to find we quadruple the membership & then run out of computation tasks to do ... they'll all join SETI (Don't worry - I know they are out there... but they're so far away from me)[Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at May 9, 2006 12:13:08 AM] |
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Former Member
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The newspaper idea is a good one. The tabloids give away crappy old films on DVD (no doubt with added spyware) and the broadsheets often provide samplers, with the latest music videos and film trailers.
I don't know who produces these things for them, or how much input they actually have. But I'm definitely going to try and sell this idea to someone. It will make a perfect trial run for any future CD campaign. I just noticed you said UK. I'm in the UK also.... |
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Former Member
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All of these ideas are great!!!!!!!
No doubt about it. Now I know why I'm apart of this great big group of dedicated people from around the world. I just check out the partners page and didn't see American Cancer Society among them which made me think.....How about them joining us? Has anyone asked? Not sure if anyone thought about having them join us here at the WCG so I dropped them an email to see if they were interested in joining us here at the WCG. I figured why not, it won't hurt to ask. Nothing to lose and a lot to gain. |
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I really can't see stores actually paying to display these things. Doing it for free, for charity - sure. But paying? I'm dubious. If they have bought into the "responsible corporate citizen" concept, as many companies have, they will have a budget for it. It's almost free money, let's go get some. Umm....I just realised something: do any of your newspapers give away film CDs? They do in the UK. they are usually ones everyone has seen, but its made me realise that there is a practised mass-distribution system out there that can be hitched onto. I really like this idea too. Again, it's almost free. Good stuff!! -- |
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