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Here is the digraph as it comes out when I google it. But the page behaves somewhat strangely. First it shows you the Wiki-page that deals with digraphs in general for a brief moment, and it kind of JUMPs! into this picture

- and it's the middle line I find looks like calligraphy love struck
EDIT: turned 'JUMP!' into 'JUMPs!'
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1st & 2nd & 3rd person verb conjugation singular and plural installment
- better have this nailed down
Having just made this
EDIT: turned 'JUMP!' into 'JUMPs!'
^^^ prompts me to ask:
Do you Dutchmen conjugate verbs like primarily the Germans, and secondarily the English do?

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Halloween wordplay installment
- just landed in my mailbox


- one more reason to have Norwitchen as my favorite airline love struck
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1st & 2nd & 3rd person verb conjugation singular and plural installment
- better have this nailed down

Do you Dutchmen conjugate verbs like primarily the Germans, and secondarily the English do?
How do we do that? That's a very good question, little mermaid. I don't quite understand what you mean by "like primarily the Germans, and secondarily the English do", but let me try to explain how we conjugate verbs in Dutch.


As in English, in Dutch we have regular and irregular verbs. Regular verbs all follow the same conjugation. To conjugate a regular verb, we need to know the verb's stem. Therefore, before we move on to the actual conjugation of a verb, we need to know how to derive the stem from an infinitive. The latter is the verb in its 'unconjugated' form, the way you find it in a dictionary: to work, to see, to know, etc. Dutch infinitives always end in '-en', e.g. werken (to work), koken (to cook), or weten (to know). The general rule for deriving the stem is:

STEM = INFINITIVE minus '-en'.

We call this the crude stem, because a stem often needs one or two additional adjustments. Regular verbs can have long or short vowels. The general rule here is that the stem needs the same long or short vowel! (See this link.) So if the stem of an infinitive with a long vowel is one with a short vowel, we must make it long first.
(to make = 'maken' => mak => maak)
Next, if a crude stem ends in two identical consonants, we subtract one consonant.
(to miss = 'missen' => miss => mis)
When, after subtraction of -en from the infinitive (and possibly the correction for length of the vowel), the stem ends in v or z, these letters turn into f and s respectively.
(to live = 'leven' => lev => leev => leef)

Now let's conjugate. thinking This is the easy part. tongue
singular
1st person: ik (I)
2nd person: jij (you)
3rd person: hij, zij, het (he, she, it)
plural
1st person: wij (we)
2nd person: jullie (you)
3rd person: zij (they)

ik <stem>
jij <stem> + t
hij <stem> + t
wij <inifinitive>
jullie <inifinitive>
zij <inifinitive>

Example:
to learn = leren
ik leer
jij leert
hij leert, zij leert, het leert
wij leren
jullie leren
zij leren

In Dutch, we also have six completely irregular verbs (zijn, hebben, kunnen, zullen, mogen, komen), plus five verbs that look like they are completely irregular (while in fact, they are strong verbs): zien, gaan, staan, doen, slaan.
I will list two of the most important verbs here: zijn (to be) and hebben (to have).

to be = zijn
ik ben
jij bent
hij is
wij zijn
jullie zijn
zij zijn

to have = hebben
ik heb
jij hebt
hij heeft
wij hebben
jullie hebben
zij hebben

For more information on irregular verbs, please see this page (and the Next Page(s)).
Of course, this was only the present tense. biggrin
Could we have some music now?
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Forgot one important thing: if the stem already ends in -t, you don't have to apply "<stem> + t" (2nd and 3rd person singular).
Example: weten = to know: ik/jij/hij weet, wij/jullie/zij weten

Might as well add the present tense of the irregular verbs. :-)

Already did 'zijn' en 'hebben'. First we jump into kunnen, zullen, mogen, komen.
kunnen = can: ik/jij/hij kan, wij/jullie/zij kunnen (also: jij kunt)
zullen = will: ik/jij/hij wil, wij/jullie/zij willen (also: jij wilt)
mogen = to may, to be allowed: ik/jij/hij mag, wij/jullie/zij mogen
komen = to come: ik kom, jij/hij komt, wij/jullie/zij komen

Now, let's deal with zien, doen, gaan, staan, slaan.
zien = to see: ik zie, jij/hij ziet, wij/jullie/zij zien
doen = to do: ik doe, jij/hij doet, wij/jullie/zij doen
gaan = to go: ik ga, jij/hij gaat, wij/jullie/zij gaan
staan = to stand: ik sta, jij/hij staat, wij/jullie/zij staan
slaan = to hit/beat: ik sla, jij/hij slaat, wij/jullie/zij slaan

Ik doe wat ik doe - Singer is Astrid Nijgh, three weeks at number 6 in the Top 40 in 1973
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It-could-have-been-much-worse-with-those-verbs installment
- you could have had them different from each other in all six cases
Your infinitive works in Grossen und Ganzen wie in Deutsch (you write these language words with a capitol, I remember). A stem where you remove the infinitive ending and add your present ending to that ’naked’ stem.
I can understand that. cool No problem.

All the strategic adjustments are interesting, however, but also a bit funny when you see it from a Danish perspective. I can understand that it’s the way it’s done, but when you read how we do it, you will notice how simple it can be done. tongue It has you wondering what went on generation after generation to shape it this way, doesn’t it?
Have Dutchmen searched for some ultimate way of expressing themselves?
Have they worked hard on developing the perfect language?
Have the Danes been lazy and lackadaisy and eliminated all the difficult stuff?
Put the process of communicating in a simple way above form?

If I concentrate on what you put at the end your ’shaved’ infinitive to make it the present, you do it pretty much as Danes would do. But being such simple people, the stem equals the infinitive when you are Danish.
No crude stem.
Just stem.
All you have to do is stitch an ’r’ at the end of that exsisting and unchanged infinitive, and you’re all set. applause
And that is why I often forget to put the singularum thirds person 's' on those English verbs in the present. It's an exotic and unnecessary manouver foreign to me.

Let me show you how easy the conjugation is in all of the three singularums and all of the three plurals:
skull – it’s not there, and still we are able to communicate.

to write = ’at skrive’ + the present ’r’ = jeg skriver (I write)
to eat = ’at spise’ + the present ’r’ = du spiser (you write)
to smile = at smile + the present ’r’ = han smiler (he smiles)
to dance = at danse + the present ’r’ = vi danser (we dance)
to drink = at drikke + the present ’r’ = I drikker (you (the plural) drink)
to sing = at synge + the present ’r’ = de synger (they sing)
How about that? idea
And some say Danish is difficult!
They do so, because they never sniffed to Dutch devilish

Were it not because of your Dutch upbringing where you learnt your ways from babyhood, I’m sure you would put
"Danish treatment of verbs"
at the top of your wishing list for Christmas.

Your conjugation is not bad (relatively spoken). It could have been like the Latin languages where each case has its own ending d oh

Irregular verbs. We have them, too but not conjugationwise – only when we begin talking the past tense etc.
zijn = at være = jeg er. Everybody ’er’
hebben = at have = jeg har. Everybody ’har’

nerd Yes, let’s have some music:
What Did You Learn in School Today, Dear Little Boy of Mine?

- finally something relatively simple - until you have to pronounce it rolling eyes
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Not really an edit, rather a P.S.
I leafed through some of this boek this morning, and I found so much I haven't paid sufficient attention to. Take this: Koffiezetapparaat - you must have used a hidden camera when you took that footage of me crying
The 'windsnelheid' is expressed in km/h in the Netherlands. It has been a stormy night and we now have 'wintertijd' (wintertime) again.
Oh, you lucky (can I say bastards here? Aldi sells an Australian wine called 'Lucky Bastard' so I'll take the chance) bastards good luck
I'm sure that was a factor, too, when Marco Verhoef dumped me for that job. I was not fast enough calculating wind speeds being indoctrinated with the m/second format. sad
Yes, we went back to normal time last Sunday. I don't buy 'wintertijd', I don't buy 'sommertijd', I buy no seasonal tijds at all. I want the same time year round. I'm a member of 'The National Association against Sommertid' Unfortunately, it's only in Danish. talk to the hand The annual general assembly takes place on the internet the last Sunday in March between 02:00 and 03:00 a.m.

EDIT: "du skriver (you write)" -> du spiser (you eat)
'bebben' -> hebben
EDIT II - well, I kind of did what I intended to do raised eyebrow

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Hello " Little Mermaid "
Even though i cannot intervene in all these complexities u extend on that thread about languages -i dont know even a word of german or danish-may i ask you to correct the omission of X in that last sentence in french.

"-who can say no to an invitation to go to Base Camping in France?"
Je ne PEUX pas "

VerbePouvoir3third group in french grammar

Respectfully.
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Hello alged,

Thank you very much for your correction which I have implemented instantly.
You are always welcome to proof read my French which is très pauvre ... sad



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It's interesting to note how Danish verbs are treated, little maid of the sea:
to write = ’at skrive’ + the present ’r’ = jeg skriver (I write)
to eat = ’at spise’ + the present ’r’ = du skriver (you write)
to smile = at smile + the present ’r’ = han smiler (he smiles)
to dance = at danse + the present ’r’ = vi danser (we dance)
to drink = at drikke + the present ’r’ = I drikker (you (the plural) drink)
to sing = at synge + the present ’r’ = de synger (they sing)


If we should do that to Dutch verbs, and let's pretend that the stem of verbs would be ending in -e instead of -en, then we get:
ik/jij/hij/wij/jullie/zij schrijver (write), lacher (smile), danser (dance), drinker, zinger

Of course now it's somewhat ridiculous. I know. But … there is even some sense of recognition: it looks as if we're meeting primitive people from some recently discovered tribe and they're trying to speak Dutch without verbs. Pronoun + noun.
I (or more primitive: me) writer, you smiler, he dancer, she drinker
(loosely meaning: I am a writer, you are a smiler, he is a dancer, etc.)

It reminds me of a children's TV-series from the sixties called Pipo the Clown with an actor playing the role of an (American) Indian (you know, a person with a wigwam) called Klukkluk and he only used one conjugation of verbs: the infinitive: "Mij zijn van de luie, jij gelijk hebben, hij zijn van de dikke." (where you would recognize the Dutch infinitives 'hebben' and 'zijn' with singular pronouns 'jij' and 'hij'). The Indian also used the word "mij" (= me) instead of the correct "ik" (1st person singular). In this way Dutch children could hear that this Indian wasn't properly speaking Dutch. devilish
Translation of the bad Dutch sentence above into English would go something like this:
"Me are the lazy one type, you right are, he are the fat one type."

Why did I mention this example? Because it resembles Danish conjugations! tongue
If all Dutch people would have gone walking along the path of this Dutch Indian, we would all be speaking Klukklukkish Indian Dutch. wink

Of course it wouldn't have to be the Danish 'r' per se that would be ending verbs. Another possibility could be the Dutch 't' that's common in the 2nd and 3rd person singular. smile

Well, that was a short trip, a very short lingual experiment.

Were it not because of your Dutch upbringing where you learnt your ways from babyhood, I’m sure you would put
"Danish treatment of verbs"
at the top of your wishing list for Christmas.
Maybe ask Sint Nicolaas first (5 December). love struck I think I would choose Indian Dutch, so that we could say: "That's good Dutch! Mr Klukkluk was right all the time!" biggrin

I want the same time year round. I'm a member of 'The National Association against Sommertid' Unfortunately, it's only in Danish. talk to the hand
Agreed, it should always be wintertime. rose So, 'ikke' means against? It looks like it has to sound like 'agai' without the -nst. cool Google Translate says 'no means no'.
The annual general assembly takes place on the internet the last Sunday in March between 02:00 and 03:00 a.m.
So, everybody is sitting there towards 2 o'clock, ready to start the meeting, and suddenly it's 3 o'clock and the meeting is over. "Yes, you were sitting there, you had your chances, now it's too late ." laughing
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Oh, so wonderfully good to see you again, adriverhof rose
Yes, let's talk Indiandutch - must be a hundred times as linguistically unchallenging as pidginenglish.
Me feel du have the urge ....
-- and now I'm rushing to edit the edits I announced to do but didn't ...
- bebben clown -> hebben (which is definitely Yiddish )
"That's good Dutch! Mr Klukkluk was right all the time!"
Of course, he was biggrin

Well, 'ikke' is a negation: 'I like Dutch' 'Jeg kan lide hollandsk'/'I don't like Dutch' 'Jeg kan ikke lide hollandsk'
But I do devilish I do like Indian Dutch. A lot!

More to come ....
EDIT: Deleted a picture.

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