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Re: Graphics Card Performance

Got it. But it nuked all my HFCC and errors and lock ups. Oh well, gave it a shot. Back to one at a time. Thanks for the help.

Just to add, after I lost all my HFCC wu's, then watched 2 GPU wu's try to crunch, the display driver kept kicking out and erroring the wu. Tried turning my settings down but kept giving errors. After about 5 minutes, I suspended everything, shut down boinc, then removed the app file. Fired up boinc and saw all GPU wu's disappear. Had nothing. Panicked a bit until new downloads started. Lost allot of wu's so someone will be getting resends. Sorry about that folks. Maybe if I gave it more time I could have figured it out but don't want to loose allot of crunching time. Time to invest in a better card. Again, thanks for all the help.
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My bad. I thought everyone knew that using the app_info would cause you to lose your CPU tasks. You can run CPU tasks with GPU tasks when using the app_info it just requires more code be added to the app-info file for each of the CPU projects you want to run.

That annoying display driver crap is Windows fault. What happens is the new video stack in Windows Vista/Seven runs seperate from the kernel so that video driver restarts are possible without a full reboot. Thus preventing many video related BSOD's. However as a part of this if the driver doesn't respond to windows fast enough windows automatically restarts the driver and throws an error when actually nothing could be wrong. It is really annoying on some systems. Some systems have higher internal latency (can't remember what that is called right now) that cause this to trip. There is a registry fix for this that I tried and it worked for me.
Copy and paste the following into notepad and save it as a .reg file and run that to add the following to the registry. Copy and paste all of it. I named mine repair.reg

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Watchdog]
"DisableBugCheck"="1"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Watchdog\Display]
"EaRecovery"="0


Right click on the file and open with registry editor. It will ask if you want to add this to the registry, select yes. That fixed the display crashes for me. As always, there are dangers when working in the registry so try this at your own risk.

I can't take credit for this fix. You can find the thread about it here XtremeSystems
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Re: Graphics Card Performance

Unfortunately my three GTX580 boards post 90% error rate. I admit the drivers are not the latest ones. Should I move to the latest drivers or is there a driver version that is most optimal for these boards?
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Re: Graphics Card Performance

Running 9 work units on a single HD 7950, processing time down to 23 seconds per completed work unit, already averaging 700,000+ WCG PPD off one card. Meanwhile, MSI Afterburner shows no droops in GPU usage, stays around 90% usage.

Now for my problem. I have too many tasks pending validate...and it keeps getting higher and higher. (~300 increase every day). Yesterday I had 900 tasks pending validation, right now I have 1260 tasks pending validation. I fear the worst... My wingmen need to upgrade their crappy machines, and upgrade fast.... Need more AMD users here.


This has nothing to do with power of the other machines....When your wingmans set a cache of, as example, 3 days, you have to wait up to 3 days until they get calculated on the wingmens machine. Nothing to care about...
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Re: Graphics Card Performance

Unfortunately my three GTX580 boards post 90% error rate. I admit the drivers are not the latest ones. Should I move to the latest drivers or is there a driver version that is most optimal for these boards?

Latest drivers are a must.
http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us
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Re: Graphics Card Performance

Running 9 work units on a single HD 7950, processing time down to 23 seconds per completed work unit, already averaging 700,000+ WCG PPD off one card. Meanwhile, MSI Afterburner shows no droops in GPU usage, stays around 90% usage.

Now for my problem. I have too many tasks pending validate...and it keeps getting higher and higher. (~300 increase every day). Yesterday I had 900 tasks pending validation, right now I have 1260 tasks pending validation. I fear the worst... My wingmen need to upgrade their crappy machines, and upgrade fast.... Need more AMD users here.


This has nothing to do with power of the other machines....When your wingmans set a cache of, as example, 3 days, you have to wait up to 3 days until they get calculated on the wingmens machine. Nothing to care about...

FWIW your cache settings will be ignored for any setting that would give you more than 100 WUs per GPU. That's the limit.
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So, is the app_info file "problem" only on WCG then? I've used it across different projects with no lost CPU tasks.
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So, is the app_info file "problem" only on WCG then? I've used it across different projects with no lost CPU tasks.

If you forget to include an application in your app_info.xml, all work for the unlisted applications will error-out. It's always been this way, since optimized applications for SETI@home was made available back in 2005.

But while here at WCG users must make their own app_info.xml or try a file posted to the forums, for other BOINC-projects the app_info.xml is normally downloaded together with the application, either optimized or beta, and these app_info.xml often includes info of older application-versions and so on, to make sure no work currently on client will error-out.
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My bad. I thought everyone knew that using the app_info would cause you to lose your CPU tasks. You can run CPU tasks with GPU tasks when using the app_info it just requires more code be added to the app-info file for each of the CPU projects you want to run.

That annoying display driver crap is Windows fault. What happens is the new video stack in Windows Vista/Seven runs seperate from the kernel so that video driver restarts are possible without a full reboot. Thus preventing many video related BSOD's. However as a part of this if the driver doesn't respond to windows fast enough windows automatically restarts the driver and throws an error when actually nothing could be wrong. It is really annoying on some systems. Some systems have higher internal latency (can't remember what that is called right now) that cause this to trip. There is a registry fix for this that I tried and it worked for me.
Copy and paste the following into notepad and save it as a .reg file and run that to add the following to the registry. Copy and paste all of it. I named mine repair.reg

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Watchdog]
"DisableBugCheck"="1"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Watchdog\Display]
"EaRecovery"="1


Right click on the file and open with registry editor. It will ask if you want to add this to the registry, select yes. That fixed the display crashes for me. As always, there are dangers when working in the registry so try this at your own risk.

I can't take credit for this fix. You can find the thread about it here XtremeSystems

Should have remembered but no biggy. Back to one at a time for now. Might try again later when I get time. I did order a 7870 Ghz edition since this ticked me off. One thing that bugs me though is comparing my 6950 to a 7950, the specs are not that far apart so this card should be able to handle it. My card crunches one at around 3 minutes with around 88% usage. Oh well, this card will replace my 5670 that takes over 7 minutes to complete one once I get the 7870. Thanks again for all the help.
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OMG!!!! 9? I guess you aren't doing any other work on that computer, or at least not much. Unless you have more than a Ht Hex Core CPU.



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Wait a minute? "Processing time is down to 23 seconds"? I'm not following how it is possible to reduce the processing time by increasing the number of units running at once. My processing time increases for every extra unit. Please explain. Thanks.


HT doesn't really make you able to run two tasks with one core, there is only one execution unit in your core.

The processor is a FX-8120 @ 4Ghz is plenty for this many tasks, but WCG is limited to running 9 work units when I was trying to run 16 to fully saturate my processor and further eliminate droops.

How are you not following? The GPU isnt being used when the CPU is working, and the CPU isnt being used when the GPU is crunching. Open MSI Afterburner Hardware Monitor and monitor your GPU usage, you'll find there is a huge gap where the GPU is doing nothing, and monitor task manager to see a huge gap where the CPU is doing nothing, so much potential lost. If you run one or two work units. The more work units you run, the less gaps you will see, this will keep both your GPU, CPU, and RAM running at the best they can. A single 7970 can complete the GPU portion of a work unit in around 17-18 seconds, so we are trying to reduce the amount of CPU time by increasing the number of work units beyond the max cores you have. The more real cores you have the better.

Also, there is no lag on this machine, I've been watching Hi10 10 bit anime on this machine while doing this, but recently just installed Synergy so I can move my mouse off the side of my screen and my mouse cursor pops up on my Ubuntu machine so I am doing all of my x264 encoding and anime watching there and give HCC extra CPU cycles.
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