Index  | Recent Threads  | Unanswered Threads  | Who's Active  | Guidelines  | Search
 

Quick Go »
No member browsing this thread
Thread Status: Active
Total posts in this thread: 215
Posts: 215   Pages: 22   [ Previous Page | 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 | Next Page ]
[ Jump to Last Post ]
Post new Thread
Author
Previous Thread This topic has been viewed 1585297 times and has 214 replies Next Thread
theodolite
Advanced Cruncher
Joined: Apr 11, 2014
Post Count: 119
Status: Offline
Reply to this Post  Reply with Quote 
Re: Badge for participation

Still the number one 'Nope, Nope, Nope' idea ever proposed, IMHO
[Nov 25, 2015 3:21:59 AM]   Link   Report threatening or abusive post: please login first  Go to top 
KLiK
Master Cruncher
Croatia
Joined: Nov 13, 2006
Post Count: 3108
Status: Offline
Project Badges:
Reply to this Post  Reply with Quote 
Re: Badge for participation

Still the number one 'Nope, Nope, Nope' idea ever proposed, IMHO


well, in our culture it's considered to be polite to talk, when you have "something profitable & significant to say"...so maybe you should ask yourself is your comment a positive contribution? will it make some progress in an idea? will it make a progress of some kind?

& also - from the years on this World I've learned to stop saying some comments about someone, if I don't have anything positive to say about that person...so I'm going to stop writing further!
cool
----------------------------------------
oldies:UDgrid.org & PS3 Life@home


non-profit org. Play4Life in Zagreb, Croatia
[Nov 25, 2015 10:43:34 AM]   Link   Report threatening or abusive post: please login first  Go to top 
retsof
Former Community Advisor
USA
Joined: Jul 31, 2005
Post Count: 6824
Status: Offline
Project Badges:
Reply to this Post  Reply with Quote 
Re: Badge for participation

Still the number one 'Nope, Nope, Nope' idea ever proposed, IMHO

context?
----------------------------------------
SUPPORT ADVISOR
Work+GPU i7 8700 12threads
School i7 4770 8threads
Default+GPU Ryzen 7 3700X 16threads
Ryzen 7 3800X 16 threads
Ryzen 9 3900X 24threads
Home i7 3540M 4threads50%
[Dec 2, 2015 4:57:58 PM]   Link   Report threatening or abusive post: please login first  Go to top 
theodolite
Advanced Cruncher
Joined: Apr 11, 2014
Post Count: 119
Status: Offline
Reply to this Post  Reply with Quote 
Re: Badge for participation

Context? Really? The context is that I have done 148 WU PER DAY for over 27,000 days

Someone has proposed the idea that a member should be recognized for contributing ONE WU. One lousy WU. If that is an OET WU, it could take as little as 7 minutes. Tell me, oh wise one, what is the value for ONE WU?

Out there in the RW, I fully support recognizing people who make a significant effort and achievement using either their brain or their brawn. Does anybody really think it is logical to reward the Philly 76ers for winning their first in 29 games?

Is our world being reduced from rewarding excellence to rewarding attendance? My Word, I hope not. Nope, nope, nope.
[Dec 2, 2015 9:30:19 PM]   Link   Report threatening or abusive post: please login first  Go to top 
Tern
Cruncher
Joined: Nov 27, 2015
Post Count: 15
Status: Offline
Project Badges:
Reply to this Post  Reply with Quote 
Re: Badge for participation

Given you are an all-mix cruncher, they'll come in time and once the first one does you could help it a bit by de-selecting that science and so on until all slots filled, then return to all-mix again, or else just leave it to faith. I'm doing presently just that until the next level appears for any badge.


(From WAY earlier in the thread.) This is why I don't care for subproject badges AT ALL. You should select subprojects based on your interest in the topic, not because you can earn a pretty badge for it. The subproject "rewards" short of the first badge are the credits/points earned.

I won't even open my mouth on the "you can get more badges by running SLOWER computers" postings, which simply point out a fatal flaw in the way WCG grants badges.

If you look at my badges to the left of this post, you'll see that I have "transparent glass" badges for 876 subprojects at WCG. They are the ones with no border, no icon, no color, no numbers... Yep, that's the badge you earn for doing less than it takes to get bronze!

Seriously, until reading this thread, I had no idea how the badges were awarded and didn't care. Now I know how they are awarded. Second half didn't change. Good grief.
[Dec 4, 2015 12:59:21 AM]   Link   Report threatening or abusive post: please login first  Go to top 
KLiK
Master Cruncher
Croatia
Joined: Nov 13, 2006
Post Count: 3108
Status: Offline
Project Badges:
Reply to this Post  Reply with Quote 
Re: Badge for participation

Context? Really? The context is that I have done 148 WU PER DAY for over 27,000 days

Someone has proposed the idea that a member should be recognized for contributing ONE WU. One lousy WU. If that is an OET WU, it could take as little as 7 minutes. Tell me, oh wise one, what is the value for ONE WU?

Out there in the RW, I fully support recognizing people who make a significant effort and achievement using either their brain or their brawn. Does anybody really think it is logical to reward the Philly 76ers for winning their first in 29 games?

Is our world being reduced from rewarding excellence to rewarding attendance? My Word, I hope not. Nope, nope, nope.

well, as someone doing almost same amount of work in last 2y (140WU average)...I can relate to that badges are correct for someone who has been here for some time & done it's work...getting badges is a good thing, 'cause it gives some "positive driven competition" towards our donations...

that said, I can't agree with you about not giving someone a "dimmed or transparent version of a badge" from even 1WU done!
why? here are some reasons:
1. it will give people who come here on WCG some idea & commemoration, what can they expect for their donation here...a badge (which we all love, more or less, - one here included), which is dimmed, but it can soon be a bronze...or even silver or gold! etc.
2. just saying that OET will be done in 7min is:
a) not correct, unless you have a "monster of a machine"!!! don't know what you have, so I'm not getting into it...
b) being an close-minded & not realizing that average in OET is actually 84,5min today...check it here: https://secure.worldcommunitygrid.org/stat/viewProject.do?projectShortName=oet1
c) not realizing that someone might ONLY have an older dual-core mobile which gets the single WU done in about 8-10h...or that he/she has a slow older P3/P4 computer that will do OET in about half a day...
the main thing is: every bit of science which we do "counts"...so saying that you don't like to recognize people who make a "significant effort and achievement" - it's a lot of b.ll-sh.t...the guy participated in a research & got at least 1WU done! at least it's not a "ghost account"... wink
3. this might be next idea to implement, so that some people here get that "dimmed or transparent badges" for all research done which is more than 0 & less than bronze level...
then in next WCG mail you send them that they got a badge (for their small work done) & invite them to participate more (to bronze level or more)...& motivate them for more donation of their computer power (which costs, as we all agreed) to science!

I'm also saying that 'cause of all "ghost accounts" we have here...of a people who came, but didn't stick around...just signed in, but never did any science!
those I wouldn't recognize for anything...'cause, for me those only attendant here, but never actually done a single piece of work! not a single WU...

as every brick counts in a wall...also every WU counts in science!
& my opinion is that WCG can benefit in PR from doing this...
cool

Given you are an all-mix cruncher, they'll come in time and once the first one does you could help it a bit by de-selecting that science and so on until all slots filled, then return to all-mix again, or else just leave it to faith. I'm doing presently just that until the next level appears for any badge.


(From WAY earlier in the thread.) This is why I don't care for subproject badges AT ALL. You should select subprojects based on your interest in the topic, not because you can earn a pretty badge for it. The subproject "rewards" short of the first badge are the credits/points earned.

I won't even open my mouth on the "you can get more badges by running SLOWER computers" postings, which simply point out a fatal flaw in the way WCG grants badges.

If you look at my badges to the left of this post, you'll see that I have "transparent glass" badges for 876 subprojects at WCG. They are the ones with no border, no icon, no color, no numbers... Yep, that's the badge you earn for doing less than it takes to get bronze!

Seriously, until reading this thread, I had no idea how the badges were awarded and didn't care. Now I know how they are awarded. Second half didn't change. Good grief.

thank you for confirmation!
wink
----------------------------------------
oldies:UDgrid.org & PS3 Life@home


non-profit org. Play4Life in Zagreb, Croatia
----------------------------------------
[Edit 1 times, last edit by KLiK at Dec 4, 2015 8:51:10 AM]
[Dec 4, 2015 8:50:27 AM]   Link   Report threatening or abusive post: please login first  Go to top 
theodolite
Advanced Cruncher
Joined: Apr 11, 2014
Post Count: 119
Status: Offline
Reply to this Post  Reply with Quote 
Re: Badge for participation

The problem with this idea is that the very, very few supporters make a huge number of assumptions and then expect the vast majority to assume their truth. Nope

I never said that I personally do OET at 7 minutes, but I do have 17 recent OET WU at under 22 minutes on standard non-OC I5. I did have many CFSW WU finish in under 2 minutes. Your presenting the obfuscation of 8 hours on an old dual core is a lot of b.ll-sh.t... since my old dual core is pounding some OET out at 55 minutes. I suggest you stick to facts you can prove.

It is a well recognized opinion in these fora that badges do not cause people to join. They reward those who have contributed. What is your big deal with asking someone with an old dual core work for ONE WEEK of almost no effort to get a bronze? Do you actually think that someone who quits before 14 days is going to change their mind and stay because of a transparent badge? Really? Nope.

WCG is not looking for members to contribute 1 WU. Nope. It's a waste of data space to keep the history. WCG wants members who are willing to contribute, by staying and tackling the new projects as they come up.

Where is the value in separating out 100,000 ghost accounts from 200,000 1 WU accounts? If there are 200K accounts, who cares? WCG is pounding out 600,000+ WU PER DAY. Even if 200k users have 1 WU, WCG makes that up in under 8 hours of ONE DAY. Their 200k WU have immaterial impact on a project that has been running over 4081 days.

Yes, those of us who have been here longer have more badges. That's because we have contributed more.

Yes, once you have contributed 14 days effort, you get a badge. We don't recognize people who can't focus long enough to meet the minimum. Members should consider themselves lucky that 14 days was set as the minimum, not 30.

Yes, by the time I had my first bronze, I was happy to celebrate, mostly because by then I had 7 cores running 24x7.

As Sek's said, Who would ever want to pat themselves on the back for having contributed a single WU? How embarrassing. A great way to hold yourself up for ridicule. Nope.

It's one thing to be on a team and practice multiple times per week all year long and then only get in for one play. smile

It's quite different to never go to practice, never participate, never contribute, then get put in for one play, quit and go watch porn and get a trophy. Nope.

Your patronizing 'thanks for the confirmation' serves only to be annoying as you want to be seen as right when someone else is seen as agreeing with you. Being right and being in agreement are not synonyms. Fortunately, WCG has not agreed with you and so far shows no sign of making you right.

Once you see the big picture and understand the WCG objectives, it will become clearer for you and others. biggrin
[Dec 4, 2015 5:15:47 PM]   Link   Report threatening or abusive post: please login first  Go to top 
KLiK
Master Cruncher
Croatia
Joined: Nov 13, 2006
Post Count: 3108
Status: Offline
Project Badges:
Reply to this Post  Reply with Quote 
Re: Badge for participation

The problem with this idea is that the very, very few supporters make a huge number of assumptions and then expect the vast majority to assume their truth. Nope

I never said that I personally do OET at 7 minutes, but I do have 17 recent OET WU at under 22 minutes on standard non-OC I5. I did have many CFSW WU finish in under 2 minutes. Your presenting the obfuscation of 8 hours on an old dual core is a lot of b.ll-sh.t... since my old dual core is pounding some OET out at 55 minutes. I suggest you stick to facts you can prove.

It is a well recognized opinion in these fora that badges do not cause people to join. They reward those who have contributed. What is your big deal with asking someone with an old dual core work for ONE WEEK of almost no effort to get a bronze? Do you actually think that someone who quits before 14 days is going to change their mind and stay because of a transparent badge? Really? Nope.

WCG is not looking for members to contribute 1 WU. Nope. It's a waste of data space to keep the history. WCG wants members who are willing to contribute, by staying and tackling the new projects as they come up.

Where is the value in separating out 100,000 ghost accounts from 200,000 1 WU accounts? If there are 200K accounts, who cares? WCG is pounding out 600,000+ WU PER DAY. Even if 200k users have 1 WU, WCG makes that up in under 8 hours of ONE DAY. Their 200k WU have immaterial impact on a project that has been running over 4081 days.

Yes, those of us who have been here longer have more badges. That's because we have contributed more.

Yes, once you have contributed 14 days effort, you get a badge. We don't recognize people who can't focus long enough to meet the minimum. Members should consider themselves lucky that 14 days was set as the minimum, not 30.

Yes, by the time I had my first bronze, I was happy to celebrate, mostly because by then I had 7 cores running 24x7.

As Sek's said, Who would ever want to pat themselves on the back for having contributed a single WU? How embarrassing. A great way to hold yourself up for ridicule. Nope.

It's one thing to be on a team and practice multiple times per week all year long and then only get in for one play. smile

It's quite different to never go to practice, never participate, never contribute, then get put in for one play, quit and go watch porn and get a trophy. Nope.

Your patronizing 'thanks for the confirmation' serves only to be annoying as you want to be seen as right when someone else is seen as agreeing with you. Being right and being in agreement are not synonyms. Fortunately, WCG has not agreed with you and so far shows no sign of making you right.

Once you see the big picture and understand the WCG objectives, it will become clearer for you and others. biggrin

about those 7min...let me refresh your memory:
Someone has proposed the idea that a member should be recognized for contributing ONE WU. One lousy WU. If that is an OET WU, it could take as little as 7 minutes. Tell me, oh wise one, what is the value for ONE WU?

do you need more?! maybe you are the one that's doing a guessing?!
'cause you stated that OET is 7min & now stating that you only crunch it in 22min...
caught in he net, are you?! biggrin

also, I do have an older Android device, a pad...exchange it for old Blackberry I don't use anymore...it does 6-8h per OET WU, dual-core...do you want some proof of that or will you look at my data sheets of finished WUs for proof?!
maybe you didn't read when I wrote "slow"...Androids are slow enough & dual-cores! wink

well I do think that people would stick around if they found out there some sort of badges around, a commendation of a sort...some people do love them!
personally, I didn't care about them in the past...but I got used to them...& now I only do projects for badges + a little extra... wink

of course WCG isn't looking for someone to stick around for only 1 WU...but they also have a lot of people with 0 WU! & that number of ghost accounts keeps on climbing... wink
transparent badges will not change anything for those with 0 WUs...but will contribute for effort of those with 1 WUs! maybe the later ones would stick around - maybe they won't...but it's a try in a PR!
are you proficient in PR also?

if only 1% of 200k returns for a week...imagine the numbers?!
if only 0,1% of 200k returns & stick around...imagine the numbers?!
can you even imagine that?!
cool

well, nobody is gonna take away your badges, don't be silly!
& your badges will not depreciate with introduction of a almost worthless "dimmed or transparent glass badge"...
it's just a shot of PR...to get some people back! wink



well, you talking jiberish right now!
those that do 1WU, those people play that small portion of the game...& they contribute that 1WU...& yes, they participate - if they didn't participate in project, they wouldn't get that 1WU! so get your language proficiency checked... wink

you really don't get it, that with this "PR stunt" we might get 1% of 200k members back for good...now, go ask WCG what 2k "average members" are worth here?!
if that's not WCG objective - don't know what is... wink

but hey...seems like you just don't want your badges to depreciate...so you're pulling this stunt of yours...
I don't gain anything...maybe 1 transparent badge in a sea of noble stone badges...
but for me, it's worth a shot to get more members in...a PR stunt to get some members back & get more future ones to stick around too!
cool
----------------------------------------
oldies:UDgrid.org & PS3 Life@home


non-profit org. Play4Life in Zagreb, Croatia
[Dec 5, 2015 1:46:12 AM]   Link   Report threatening or abusive post: please login first  Go to top 
BladeD
Ace Cruncher
USA
Joined: Nov 17, 2004
Post Count: 28976
Status: Offline
Project Badges:
Reply to this Post  Reply with Quote 
shock Re: Badge for participation

Looking at the first and last pages of this topic...I noticed those against have no, few, or hidden badges! nerd thinking
----------------------------------------
[Apr 11, 2019 2:36:30 PM]   Link   Report threatening or abusive post: please login first  Go to top 
Former Member
Cruncher
Joined: May 22, 2018
Post Count: 0
Status: Offline
Reply to this Post  Reply with Quote 
Re: Badge for participation

Last reply 2015, way way before badges could even be hidden. So what made you to dig this dead subject out?
----------------------------------------
[Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Apr 11, 2019 4:20:14 PM]
[Apr 11, 2019 4:19:46 PM]   Link   Report threatening or abusive post: please login first  Go to top 
Posts: 215   Pages: 22   [ Previous Page | 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 | Next Page ]
[ Jump to Last Post ]
Post new Thread