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David Autumns
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Just in case you have been living under a rock since the beginning of Dec 2009 here's a little summary.... you know....for the record.
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Eso and more moisture in the air makes more clouds which reflect the Sun and cause the Earth to cool. More moisture in the air at this time of the year causes, in addition to cloud, more snow which reflects more of the Sun and causes the Earth to cool As the Earth cools on account of the above it's less moisture in the air and the cycle repeats The Earth with it's Water Vapour maintains a delightful equilibrium - a stable climate despite all it's varying inputs. One that has been within + or - 0.4C over the last century (If we can place any trust now in the temperature data as presented) Dave  |
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Febuary 2010 is shaping up to be a record breaker for snow cover 49 US states have seen a dusting http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100213/ap_on_re_us/us_united_states_of_snow http://climate.rutgers.edu/snowcover/table_rankings.php?ui_set=1#nhland It's amazing what a difference a few months makes +ve and -ve. See how snow now doesn't disprove Global Warming when before no snow was proof of Global Warming? It's a weird world I live in. Yet another 24 hours -2C and below in Brussels http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/EBBR.html Yep that Globe of ours is really hotting up Really hotting up  WEATHER WEATHER WEATHER |
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Febuary 2010 is shaping up to be a record breaker for snow cover 49 US states have seen a dusting http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100213/ap_on_re_us/us_united_states_of_snow http://climate.rutgers.edu/snowcover/table_rankings.php?ui_set=1#nhland It's amazing what a difference a few months makes +ve and -ve. See how snow now doesn't disprove Global Warming when before no snow was proof of Global Warming? It's a weird world I live in. Yet another 24 hours -2C and below in Brussels http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/EBBR.html Yep that Globe of ours is really hotting up Really hotting up Learning Line Graphs for Kids: http://nces.ed.gov/nceskids/help/user_guide/graph/line.asp [Edit 2 times, last edit by Former Member at Feb 14, 2010 7:21:47 AM] |
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Sekerob
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As in the old mssing thread, it's too simple to just quote previous posts if the message has not boarded: Here 2, on Wintersnow and Seasonal Snow
----------------------------------------Look at that, I had not updated this chart for 2 years... Rutgers Snow monthly, like clockwork, published on or before the 10th.  We [those that can see and understand] very very well know that winter cover is around normal, the concern being that the spring melt removes so much from our albedo that our intake and store of heat becomes much greater... and hundreds of millions not getting that much needed melt water from the mountains to irrigate their lands. Anyway, the usual usual... so much snow in the perception of those who've got it in their habitat, yet Northern Hemisphere wide... ain't seeing anything abnormal... well we've had no snow down hear since Dec.16, 2008 Looking at the chart start year, not sure if it was 1966 or 1967 being that faithful year an active member was born, but that's when snow monitoring began in earnest... because back then we knew something more was not going right and its already visible in the chart for February... I'll post the update next month, if here still. Esoteric17, it's really one ear in, the other ear out, no matter how often it's slapped in the face. I've long accepted that one should not expect even the remotest effort of retention, then followed by the repetition of the false (the famous by omission) talking points. The seasonal chart I published from that removed thread, 7336 posts long, copy in my possession fully indexed and hotlinked, here reproduced, updated through December 2009.  It's bluntly obvious, to anyone with common sense (and not afraid to use it)... why cover is now high! El Nino > Lots of warm ocean vapor > STRONG [record negative] Arctic Oscillation, sucking in warm air to replace the cold air that's been pushed south. Ask WATTS... he's a weatherman, who does not grasp it, at all and he's supposed to have a diploma... if you ask me, as sit com dim wit comedian. hmmm yes, Rutgers reworked the numbers based on new analytical techniques some decades ago not available. 6 million summer shortfall became 5.34 million... the WATTS taken in due this albedo affecting change still exceeding the global effect of solar max-min differential. I'll let the covorting continue... The Annual North Sea New years dive was on Jan 1, 2009 in coastal water of 4 Celsius, and on Jan 1, 2010 in 7 Celsius... someone eyes wide shut daydreaming of global cooling, outside that famous window. Anyone impressed with all that winter snow? Did I proof the point of what remains [in spring, summer and autumn]? Would 7 Celsius North Sea water produce more vapor to come down as snow, in Winter? Somewhere it's warmer, David Authumns, here for instance!
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Sekerob
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So I posted this, verbatim:
----------------------------------------Just for fun I fished up David Autumns 4 bar chart which was presented to demonstrate the rather fast effect of solar impact in cooling when going into minimum [from the copy I made of that 7336 post long missing thread]. I've plugged in 9 months of HADCRUT3v, and we're almost back to the 2005 HADCRU record... and at that point still deeply in that solar minimum. David Autumns never explained this phenomena. Could he now please?  Yes, I think we know enough: It's Homo Sapiens Sapiens as main culprit. Dr. Roy (Spencer) also knows, though he's got trouble expressing it in clear words that the less ignorant can comprehend. Did the sun dial up Earth to say that we needed to pre-warm the planet, so we can have a RECORD in 2010... just like that? Snow was normal, Arctic Sea Ice is substantially below, trailing along the 2007 record low line... oh and the Finish are begging the nine nations on the Baltic to help clean up one of most polluted seas on the planet. Fancy some fish with with heavy metal toxins? Yes We Did, Yes We Can. And got this as a reply, verbatim: Yes Sek there's an El Niño in progress (c.f. 1998) Yet another of those variables in the Climate Equation That is if you can now place any trust in the reporting of the global mean temperature from any of the Houses of Man Made Global Warming hype. Which irks me considerably that Science is the loser in this enormous loss of credibility  Dave Not the sun though the original chart without me adding the 2009 provisional bar, 9 months, was presented like that accompanied with the SORCE TSI chart and strong emphasis was made to the correlation of the two. But if it's now the El Nino variable, coupled to the AO -3.41, a strong suitor for all that snow, what was it then for those bars to get shorter? A scientist, let's pretend here to be one, always questions his/her own "too easy" conclusions, especially if the latter answer does not jive with the former answer... This, if it was El Nino doing it now, in 2009 and on in 2010 [and will per the SOI index], could it have been a series of La Nina's before that sucking up all that heat? Oversimplified, but it's the bulk, latest, the drying out of our stratosphere an other reason that more rays come to ground/ocean level, yet up there it's cooling, which was predicted, as less heat can escape up due e.g. GHG's in the troposhere Have a Nice Valentines Day. PS: Snow on Ice is bad for it's growing thicker!
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Just in case you have been living under a rock since the beginning of Dec 2009 here's a little summary.... you know....for the record. But David, why, oh why, do you continue to obfuscate. Here you are quoting, not scientific experimentation, but the personal (and unproven opinions) of a professor who studies air not climate. It seems that every time you want to make a point, you put forward an opinion not fact, but you suggest it to be fact. I find it just so sad that you cannot separate fact from opinion. It's such a waste of time.http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/02/the_end_of_the_ipcc.html And in this case, you suggest that I have been living under a rock, but that seems to be where you literally dug up this joke. How about a quote from American Researcher instead? |
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David Autumns
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It's strange the vitriol I seem to accrete
----------------------------------------Astrolab when did I ever specify that you in particular might have been living under a rock? When? At which point? Sek when did I ever say that the only variable in the Climate Equation was the Sun? When? At which point? And yet it's a free for all for anyone to attribute all manner of nonsense to my name Please carry on because it doesn't do you or your flawed MMGW cause any good at all I will just keep presenting the reality until the truth will out The American Thinker post is a useful, for those not yet in the know, summary of the current perilous position the UEA GISS NOAA IPCC + Gore et al find themselves in in relation to the proposition that Mankind through our issue of CO2 is having the most significant warming effect within our atmosphere such that Mankind is at enormous risk. Today Professor Phil Jones in an interview has stated that for the past 15 years there has been no "statistically significant" warming i.e any warming above the usual background noise. He has stated that the data used to create Mann's Hockey Stick Plot of Gore's Scissor lift fame is no longer available and he also conceded that the Globe may have been warmer than today during medieval times. So where does that leave the proposition that Mankind through the issue of our CO2 is having the most significant warming effect within our atmosphere such that Mankind is at enormous risk? Please feel free to hurl personal abuse if it makes you feel better about this inconvenient truth - I have been on the receiving end of far far worse, even within the bounds of this very civilised forum. As I say I will just keep presenting the reality until the truth will out as I am deeply concerned about the negative consequences that have already been unleashed upon us and our Planet and those that may follow. My NH Winter prediction 2009/2010 (given in mid October) was right on the button so just maybe you should give it some thought that I am not the clueless fool you attempt to paint me as I bid you adieu Dave |
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Sekerob
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I am not the one in need of waking up Yes, Mr. Rip van Winkle. Keep sleeping for another 40 years.Dave Interesting allegory Plot summary The story of Rip Van Winkle is set in the years before and after the American Revolutionary War. Rip Van Winkle, a villager of Dutch descent, lives in a nice village at the foot of New York's Catskill Mountains. An amiable man whose home and farm suffer from his lazy neglect, he is loved by all but his wife. One autumn day he escapes his nagging wife by wandering up the mountains. There he encounters strangely dressed men, rumored to be the ghosts of Henry Hudson's crew, who are playing nine-pins. After drinking some of their liquor, he settles down under a shady bridge, located in the Hudson Valley area of upstate New York, and falls asleep. He wakes and returns to his village, where he finds twenty years have passed. He finds out that his wife has died and that his close friends have died in a war or gone somewhere else. He immediately gets into trouble when he proclaims himself a loyal subject of King George III, not knowing that the American Revolution has taken place. An old local recognizes him, however, and Rip's now grown daughter takes him in. Rip resumes his habitual idleness, and his tale is solemnly believed by the old Dutch settlers, with certain hen-pecked husbands wishing they shared Rip's good luck.
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David Autumns
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Interesting allegory in relation to what Sek?
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