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Re: Not sure how much longer they will be able to keep crunching in the UK

....so that's no car and no air-con - why would I need air-con when the outside temperature hasn't been above -1C for at least 3 days biggrin

http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/EBBR.html

Heavy snowfall in a warming world:
http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=1427
Global warming skeptics regularly have a field day whenever a record snow storm pounds the U.S., claiming that such events are inconsistent with a globe that is warming. If the globe is warming, there should, on average, be fewer days when it snows, and thus fewer snow storms. However, it is possible that if climate change is simultaneously causing an increase in ratio of snowstorms with very heavy snow to storms with ordinary amounts of snow, we could actually see an increase in very heavy snowstorms in some portions of the world.

There will still be colder than average winters in a world that is experiencing warming, with plenty of opportunities for snow. The more difficult ingredient for producing a record snowstorm is the requirement of near-record levels of moisture. Global warming theory predicts that global precipitation will increase, and that heavy precipitation events--the ones most likely to cause flash flooding--will also increase. This occurs because as the climate warms, evaporation of moisture from the oceans increases, resulting in more water vapor in the air.

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Re: Not sure how much longer they will be able to keep crunching in the UK

Thé Question here to be asked: Where do we need to install that Airco? Of course, ideally powered by Nuclear or Renewables, whatever we can put our hands on quickest, but before it's the complete belly up moment?



PS: As for the living in glass houses, better stand away from the window... it's a safety precaution for those that are going to see more extreme weather... many in the US familiar with the need for boarding them when a twister comes running in... bigger ones in the making. So happens, the houses here are standard featured with extreme sturdy roll-up/roll-down covers... prepped for any eventuality, living way above sea level, not far from a cave.
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Re: Not sure how much longer they will be able to keep crunching in the UK

News from the year 2000

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snow...g-of-the-past-724017.html


Compare and contrast with reality


btw Sek there's 5 Belgium's worth of Sea Ice extra at the North Pole than just 2 days ago, this at the time when the increase stalls. (as it does every year)

Your graph shows the "disappearing" North Polar Ice cap to be "just" 1.39 times the size of the USA.

There is clearly 1Million Sq Kms more Sea Ice at Minima in 2009 than there was in 2007 and yet still it's doommongering it's terribly thin and going to disappear overnight from you. This year the ice hasn't drifted as much as in years previously, it is more tightly packed (covering slightly less space) and will continue the recovery in 2010 seen since 2007

Febuary 2010 is shaping up to be a record breaker for snow cover 49 US states have seen a dusting

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100213/ap_on_re_us/us_united_states_of_snow

http://climate.rutgers.edu/snowcover/table_rankings.php?ui_set=1#nhland

It's amazing what a difference a few months makes +ve and -ve.

See how snow now doesn't disprove Global Warming when before no snow was proof of Global Warming?

It's a weird world I live in.

Yet another 24 hours -2C and below in Brussels

http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/current/EBBR.html

Yep that Globe of ours is really hotting up

Really hotting up rolling eyes
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Re: Not sure how much longer they will be able to keep crunching in the UK

I don't understand where all of those increased Belgiums worth of Arctic ice went. This looks like the lowest extent in many years this week:


February 3, 2010
Despite cool temperatures, ice extent remains low


Despite cool temperatures over most of the Arctic Ocean in January, Arctic sea ice extent continued to track below normal. By the end of January, ice extent dropped below the extent observed in January 2007. Ice extent was unusually low in the Atlantic sector of the Arctic, the one major area of the Arctic where temperatures remained warmer than normal.
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Eso and more moisture in the air makes more clouds which reflect the Sun and cause the Earth to cool.

More moisture in the air at this time of the year causes, in addition to cloud, more snow which reflects more of the Sun and causes the Earth to cool

As the Earth cools on account of the above it's less moisture in the air and the cycle repeats


The Earth with it's Water Vapour maintains a delightful equilibrium - a stable climate despite all it's varying inputs.

One that has been within + or - 0.4C over the last century (If we can place any trust now in the temperature data as presented)

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Dear CA

What happened to the 600*600 rule

I expect that it is on account that the NSIDC take a smoothed 5 day average whereas JAXA give us the data straight from the Satellite

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local weather --- lots of rain and clouds last week ... now no clouds and warming

http://www.slate.com/id/2182564/

the clouds' cooling effects couldn't compensate for the warming associated with elevated greenhouse-gas levels.

By mass and volume, water vapor is the most prevalent greenhouse gas in the atmosphere. According to both the International Panel on Climate Change and many global climate models, water vapor accounts for somewhere between 60 percent and 70 percent of the greenhouse effect. (The 98-percent figure, much beloved by global-warming skeptics, seems to have been first used in a 1991 article by Richard Lindzen. He cites a 1990 IPCC report as his source, but the report doesn't appear to contain that number.)

The skeptical argument thus goes something like this: Since water vapor is the most potent greenhouse gas, and since this vapor is created through natural evaporation rather than human activity, the current warming trend is nothing to worry about—just the Earth going through a normal climatic cycle.

But this viewpoint ignores the reactive nature of water vapor—in other words, the gas doesn't cause warming all by its lonesome. The amount of water vapor the atmosphere can hold is almost purely a function of temperature—the warmer the air gets, the more vapor it's able to glean from the planet. We know, for example, that the atmospheric water content over the oceans has increased (PDF) by 0.41 kilograms per square meter every 10 years since 1988.

So, what's causing the temperature rise that's resulted in greater evaporation? Well, over that same time period, global emissions of carbon dioxide have soared. And unlike water vapor, which returns to Earth as precipitation within a week of entering the atmosphere, CO2 sticks around for between 50 and 200 years. Carbon dioxide accounts for approximately 25 percent of the greenhouse effect, so it's pretty clear that the dramatic increase in atmospheric CO2 is playing a significant role in recent warming. (This warming might have been even greater if not for the ability of the planet's oceans to absorb heat.)

Warmed by CO2, the atmosphere is thus able to absorb more water vapor. And that water vapor, in turn, causes further warming—it amplifies the effects of carbon dioxide. So anthropogenic CO2 serves as the chief engine of global warming, with water vapor playing a crucial secondary role. According to the IPCC, if CO2 emissions were to double, water vapor would amplify the resulting temperature change by another 60 percent. Furthermore, a 2005 article in the journal Science forecast that the amount of water vapor in the upper troposphere will double by the end of this century, as a result of higher temperatures caused in part by the vapor itself. (Scientists refer to this situation as positive feedback.)

A common skeptical rebuttal to these assertions cites the role of water vapor in forming clouds; those clouds, the argument goes, will help block solar radiation and therefore compensate for the greenhouse effect. But a 2005 report by Swiss researchers concluded that this wasn't the case in the Alps, where they monitored climactic conditions over a seven-year period. Even though the mountains' northern slopes experienced increasing cloud cover over this span, temperatures nevertheless rose steadily; the clouds' cooling effects couldn't compensate for the warming associated with elevated greenhouse-gas levels.

There are many skeptical assertions worth engaging, such as the questionable efficacy of carbon offsets and the potential for our species to endure moderate warming in exchange for greater economic growth. But the water-vapor argument is designed only to mislead, taking a kernel of scientific truth and blowing it up into a risible call to inaction. And so the Lantern vows to continue blathering on about CO2.


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Dear CA

What happened to the 600*600 rule

I expect that it is on account that the NSIDC take a smoothed 5 day average whereas JAXA give us the data straight from the Satellite

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"According to the IPCC"

And therein lies the flaw biggrin
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retsof you have to lead by example

http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread?thread=27541


These rules were created by the CA's way way back

the 600*600 pixel rule avoids the forum going squiffy as seen above

It makes sure everything is readable on low res screens (Coming back into fashion now with Netbooks)

It reduces download times for those of us around the globe who are not lucky enough to have access to Broadband

The rules were created with reason

As a CA shouldn't you be upholding those rules yourself?

Even Sek's linkage to JAXA breaks the rule at 720pixels wide. I think this is the graph that Didactylos banned me from presenting in this format. Each time I use it I have to download it, resize it to 600 wide and host it myself before it can be used on the forum.

So why not you and Sek?

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