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Re: Not sure how much longer they will be able to keep crunching in the UK

Sek always the miserable?

There isn't a climate crisis, we are not doomed and we can feed everyone given the will.

for the uplifting bigger picture it helps if you turn your eyes skyward every now and again. Check this out

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/articl...alaxy-seen-naked-eye.html

Authority, by assertion, but no support to back it up... now why even after that one of the worst winters in 100 years, why is all that the polar ice and snow melting to record lows? Just tell us when global cooling is kicking in. The answer is in a nutshell: Changing / Destabilized Climate, which won't fix itself in 7 years.
Sek always the miserable?

Don't paint when you don't like to be painted, and when so, there's more colors than black, the favored color of Pots.

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PS, Goo Goo Gaa Gaa thanks for the space pictures. We happen to have a Telescope set up with auto-tracking, hooked to the computer for remote control and finding objects accurately as Earth revolves and speeds around the Sun, itself speeding through space too, so not exactly a novel view. I don't drink warm milk before going to bed btw. Bananas [staple food in tropical countries] and yogurt do a much better job, as peace offering tip.

edit: And as it is coincidence, we happen to be watching the Master and Commander film... with a young Darwin doing his recordings on the Galapagos. Did they tar in feathers back then?
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Re: Not sure how much longer they will be able to keep crunching in the UK

Don't keep it bottled up Sek

Anything else to give in your total disdain for yours truly?

You'll feel better if you get it off your chest

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Don't keep it bottled up Sek

Anything else to give in your total disdain for yours truly?

You'll feel better if you get it off your chest

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Trawling is not an art and did get to ID a nick for you: Teflon Dave.

Global Sea Ice... you would not be able to see the divergence between Extent and Area and the sign that gives off about the state of the ice. Others will though.


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Sek you know what will happen to the Sea Ice at the North Pole in 2011 don't you.

You can see already through the Satellite Images that it is in a far more sturdy condition than in 2007

Hudson Bay has almost melted out now

The daylight hours are getting shorter

and it will remain, sadly for those with an agenda who really wish it wouldn't, inside of 2007

The North Polar Ice Cap is not disappearing any time soon no matter how many graphs you produce

2007 to 2011 will end up more not less.


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A little history on painting, tarring and feathering... the British did it one 'better' on a quick read :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarring_and_feathering

As for lowish sun and one of the worst winters in 100 hundred years, think the Rutgers snow chart indicates it made no dent in the trend [rhymes]



Events on and changes to the planet, the last decade particularly, are adding up to one big pointing finger on : Who's done it?

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John Cook : “observed sea level rise is already above IPCC projections and strongly hints at acceleration”- http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2011/07/16...ly-hints-at-acceleration/
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John Cook : â observed sea level rise is already above IPCC projections and strongly hints at accelerationâ- http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2011/07/16...ly-hints-at-acceleration/

Goddard also sees it snow CO2 on Antartica... the guy is a regular source of banter in the Climate, Math and Statistics community. Visit Open Mind for the juicy stuff. The Latest discussion and proof of his sheer incompetency: Trend and Noise. Summary he's a Fake Skeptic. One commenter says it succinctly what the problem is:
richard pauli | July 16, 2011 at 6:33 pm |

It bothers me that climate researchers are bearing the burden of providing basic education.

"Having to provide the basic education" ... Science can't all be dumbed down to layman level, but it is the perpetual slow them down tactic.

Meantime, Global Sea Ice:



Is there anyone here having the illusion that if Sea Ice melts, the Land based ice is not? Greenland in the past decades has lost trillions of tonnes already. There's a couple of Million Cubic Kilometers [630,000 cubic miles] waiting for us just in that one place.

Here's a presentation on what might happen in a Naples, Florida: http://conference.ifas.ufl.edu/GEER2010/Prese...m/1100%20K%20Esterson.pdf

If the head spins, then leave it to those who know their topic. Sea Level Rise forecast are going up. The Dutch have started to build industrial parks and housing projects on artificially elevated grounds... 6 meters up. Farm Houses are build again on "Terpen" (Artificial Dwelling Hills), in case levees can't hold it back anymore. There's no reason to think it would not happen again. Sea Level was once tens of meters higher, before the glaciation cycles [induced by the Milankovic movements of Earth and CO2 levels never got above 300 ppmv, per Ice Core Analysis], and it's unsure with the current CO2 level of presently 394 and rising by > 2 ppmv per annum will allow one [ice age] to returning again. Nobodies worry, but what is building now...

Food for thought [but not to all, as some have confided it causes them to loose sleep].

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PS: Steve Goddard got excommunicated from Watts's WUWT blog as guest blogger for no uncertain reasons!
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/ju...ng-abandon-kyoto-protocol

"UK's former chief scientist calls instead for a system where each nation is awarded a carbon emissions quota based on population"


....and as I have pointed out before the British and anyone else more than 50 degrees North will simply freeze to death in Winter

Our per capita use of energy is necessary.... to stay alive


67 GW peak energy use in December. The peak last week 42GW

Why did we need the extra 25GW in December? For fun? and that's just the increase in electricity consumption in a country heated primarily by gas.

Peak Temperature yesterday in Bristol UK 16C and it's the middle of July !
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14151032

More than 1/5 of UK households paying more than 10% of their income towards domestic fuel bills

"Between 2004 and 2009, energy prices increased: domestic electricity prices increased by over 75%, while gas prices increased by over 122% over the same period,

"Almost half of people living in fuel poverty are aged over 60," she said.


(note these figures are with reference to 2009 - not 2011 where things are now much worse)
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/14/business/en...-carbon-dioxide.html?_r=1

A major American utility is shelving the nation’s most prominent effort to capture carbon dioxide from an existing coal-burning power plant

why?

Company officials, who plan an announcement on Thursday, said they were dropping the larger, $668 million project because they did not believe state regulators would let the company recover its costs by charging customers, thus leaving it no compelling regulatory or business reason to continue the program.

“We are placing the project on hold until economic and policy conditions create a viable path forward,”

mmmm

Until the economic and policy conditions make it viable....



So pumping plant food underground at the cost of 2/3 Billion $$$'s a power plant isn't a viable option.....who'd a thunk it?
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