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Re: Is this a Non-Profit organization ??

[Grin] This is the thread for people who do not read the section titled 'About Us' but wonder about us. With tens of thousands of people visiting the site, there will always be some.
I hope you do not mind Lawrence, just thought this comment deserved to be a little more prominant
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The US Department of Defense is definetely NOT a NPO we would like to support.


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You are quite misinformed in thinking that the US Department of Defense is the not-for-profit organization that the World Community Grid has partnered with in the Human Proteome Folding Project. The partner for this project is The Institute for Systems Biology and I would encourage you to visit their web site at http://www.systemsbiology.org/Default.aspx?pagename=humanproteome for information regarding the project. This is the first project undertaken by the World Community Grid. On the World Community Grid's Project Showcase web page (http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/projects_showcase/projects_showcase.html), an earlier project using the same technology from United Devices (http://www.ud.com/home.htm) is mentioned. This was the Smallpox Research Project which was run by Grid.org (http://grid.org/home.htm), not the World Community Grid. The intent of the Smallpox Research Project was to study drugs to counter the virus due to the possibility that it could be used in a bioterrorist attack. The results were turned over to The United States Department of Defense for the simple reason that only US government supported research sites could test the drug as research restrictions in the US control work on the vaccinia virus. It was not some sinister plot for the US Department of Defense to develop a biological warfare weapon which would seem to be your implication here as well as that of others who have posted this in the forums.
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Hmmm... Could be a bit of double-speak in "public and not-for-profit organizations".

What do they mean by a 'public organization' - is that another term for a 'publically-owned corporation'? (Aka: Your typical 'owned by stockholders' type company.)
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smile Hi Everyone
Lawrence Hardin Community Admin has compiled a new thread to address the members concerns regarding this topic
We are waiting for approval to post it in the Community Maintained FACs
This will hopefully put the members minds at rest
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http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread?thread=1582

It appears that the above thread was created to answer the questions posed throughout this thread. I'm sure some of the skeptics have already been lost to other projects, but for those with more patience, here is your answer.
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"ISB is starting the post-processing phase and will soon be populating a data-base of structures that biologists will actually use. So another way to state our progress is that we've accumulated enough results to start the data-analysis/post-processing phase."


Gee, The WCG seems to be sending results to the ISB! So many that the ISB is creating a huge DataBase for the Biologists to use!

Since the ISB is an offshoot of efforts by the University of Washington (a University that is focused as a research instition.) I would suspect that this HPF project is begining to move into the public domain.

Just a wild guess.
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http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread?thread=1582

It appears that the above thread was created to answer the questions posed throughout this thread. I'm sure some of the skeptics have already been lost to other projects, but for those with more patience, here is your answer.


Well, I`ve seen the same question in numerous threads, and although I needed to read very carefully and ask the same question as well, I am convinced this is a pro bono project and deserves my free idle cpu cycles.

But I strongly suggest reconsidering mentioning the US DOD at the receiving end for results from *ANOTHER* previous projects *NOT* conducted by WCG but using similar technology. It simply asks for confusion and skepticism and will send many people off. People that won`t take the time to find out there is no relation to Human Proteome Folding. It would be better if WCG would not mention these previous projects that are similar in technology at all!

As a sidenote, it would also be a good idea if the results that are sent back to ISB are *STORED* by WCG itself! ISB is still a research institute that is sponsored by public and private funding, and ISB can still create spin-offs that run away with the hard work of the grid. It is still a good idea if this is legally covered in a sufficiently satisfying way. If WCG remains the legal owner of all generated results as a non profit organisation, the matter can be smoothly resolved.
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The lawyers are ahead of you. biggrin We do have the right to store the results, which means we have a legal trail to show the court in the unlikely event that it comes to a fight. I was amused by almost contradictory wording on this point in different areas which I finally decided confused started out making sure that we had legal records, then later tried to put the responsibility for storing and disseminating the scientific results on the applicant, since we will be unfamiliar with the relevant scientific database formats.

As for publicity regarding DOD, [sigh. . .] the website will soon be rewritten. I agree, emphasizing our current project will draw less flak.
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I wouldn't be so quick to condem the US department of Defense for having the smallpox lig and fit program run for them.

If something were to happen in a biological type warfare scenario anywere in the world people (even the liberal types) seem to come screaming to them (US DoD) for assistance. I know the US goverment has brought alot of this running to them on thier selves as the great protectors of the free world.

But in a serious situation like a biological exchange the US armed forces really do need to have thier soldiers innoculated or have some sort of medicne to combat an exposure to them from a bio type weapon.

And it is probale that thier allies would also be innoculated. As for civilian populations, in affected areas, I would hope they would give innoculations to them as well.

So that project was in keeping with the humanitarian goals of most grid computing.
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I wouldn't be so quick to condem the US department of Defense for having the smallpox lig and fit program run for them.

If something were to happen in a biological type warfare scenario anywere in the world people (even the liberal types) seem to come screaming to them (US DoD) for assistance. I know the US goverment has brought alot of this running to them on thier selves as the great protectors of the free world.

But in a serious situation like a biological exchange the US armed forces really do need to have thier soldiers innoculated or have some sort of medicne to combat an exposure to them from a bio type weapon.

And it is probale that thier allies would also be innoculated. As for civilian populations, in affected areas, I would hope they would give innoculations to them as well.

So that project was in keeping with the humanitarian goals of most grid computing.


As a European I can`t afford to count on the whims of the US DOD. I hope you can grasp that. Einstein invented nuclear fusion and using it to heat the modern world is a humanitarian goal, but there are always 2 sides to every story.

Maybe instead of NP status, we should be talking about an NGO (Non Governmental Organisation) status for WCG. Actually I suspect that WCG *is* an NP NGO, but I`m not sure.
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