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Former Member
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Adywebb, As to the Forum rules, anyone can interpret it his/her way. To me # 1 rule is respect and decency.... the rest comes naturally if that rule is followed. I cant care less about any short or long fuse excuse a member has in that department. That's the rule we should not waiver from....not in full words or in acronyms. Than, no tools are required at all and operation of the red little face right hand bottom of every post would be enough for the rare straying. cheers Sorry Sek - you've lost me a bit, was this in reply to me asking this, as I haven't commented about the forum rules Once you have come to a consensus - would it be posssible to let the membership know what these tools are that you are requesting, so that we may comment please? I am just looking for a yes or no to this question from the CA's if that is possible. As regards nelsocs response: I'm sorry that the actions of one person (as I prefer to name names: Dagorath aka Marcel Thibault) have had such a tremendous effect on these forums that people think we really need a whole set of new measures to keep people in line. I agree that the reaction was not as swift nor as forceful as it should have been the first time. But this was the posting of a single member who is now banned from the forums. I don't see this as some sort of major flaw in the forums here. It was the actions of one individual who has been dealt with. Furthermore, measures are in place to ensure more timely response in the future, should such action be necessary. I welcome this as it is similar to what I said in an earlier post about 'are we using a sledgehammer to crack a nut': I would say though - are we using a sledgehammer to crack a nut? - the problem of late has primarily been to do with one person which WCG have finally now resolved using certain systems now in place - what followed was the result of that persons actions, to be honest I would like to think that similar instances would be few and far between, and something that WCG can more than handle. I would hate us to overeact and allow that person to have had undue influence over the way we run our forum. It reminds me of how governments keep telling us not to allow the actions of terrorists to influence how we go about our daily lives, and then at the same time use it as an excuse to bring in draconian powers and restrictions. Please I say again, if we allow this to happen here then Dagorath (as we are now naming names ) has won, and we have lost........ |
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Movieman
Veteran Cruncher Joined: Sep 9, 2006 Post Count: 1042 Status: Offline |
Adywebb, As to the Forum rules, anyone can interpret it his/her way. To me # 1 rule is respect and decency.... the rest comes naturally if that rule is followed. I cant care less about any short or long fuse excuse a member has in that department. That's the rule we should not waiver from....not in full words or in acronyms. Than, no tools are required at all and operation of the red little face right hand bottom of every post would be enough for the rare straying. cheers Sorry Sek - you've lost me a bit, was this in reply to me asking this, as I haven't commented about the forum rules Once you have come to a consensus - would it be posssible to let the membership know what these tools are that you are requesting, so that we may comment please? I am just looking for a yes or no to this question from the CA's if that is possible. As regards nelsocs response: I'm sorry that the actions of one person (as I prefer to name names: Dagorath aka Marcel Thibault) have had such a tremendous effect on these forums that people think we really need a whole set of new measures to keep people in line. I agree that the reaction was not as swift nor as forceful as it should have been the first time. But this was the posting of a single member who is now banned from the forums. I don't see this as some sort of major flaw in the forums here. It was the actions of one individual who has been dealt with. Furthermore, measures are in place to ensure more timely response in the future, should such action be necessary. I welcome this as it is similar to what I said in an earlier post about 'are we using a sledgehammer to crack a nut': I would say though - are we using a sledgehammer to crack a nut? - the problem of late has primarily been to do with one person which WCG have finally now resolved using certain systems now in place - what followed was the result of that persons actions, to be honest I would like to think that similar instances would be few and far between, and something that WCG can more than handle. I would hate us to overeact and allow that person to have had undue influence over the way we run our forum. It reminds me of how governments keep telling us not to allow the actions of terrorists to influence how we go about our daily lives, and then at the same time use it as an excuse to bring in draconian powers and restrictions. Please I say again, if we allow this to happen here then Dagorath (as we are now naming names ) has won, and we have lost........Ady my friend: We usually agree, but don't see that as a loss. The guy is gone and that's all that matters. Since it was me(or XS,take your pick) coming here that got that mess going with him I'll comment on it. It seems to me in hindsight that he got "bothered" for lack of a better term by 2 things: A perception that everyone at XS was out to win at any cost(I am not and if you look at my scoring over the last 2 months you will see that) and an underlying anger at the disparity that machines using linux were getting under the credit system. On the linux issue he was correct, they do take a bath in scoring on WCG. As to a PC correct set of rules to follow here. If someone thinks they are needed as a guideline, thats fine with me. I know I won't always agree with everyone on a particular point and that is life. If you disagree with me, just attack my argument, and not me the person for presenting that arguement. When personalities are kept out of discussions thats when progress is made. There is still unfortunately a small amount of friction I feel from just one of the CA's here. I'd ask that you start tomorrow off as if you never met me and I will do the same. I said before, there is no need for us to be enemies. We want the same things. We just go about getting there in different ways. What may be important to me may not be to you and I am fine with that. Just say to yourself that this guys motives(me) are good even though he(me) may appear to be viewing things from a perspective that makes no sense to me(you) Take that perspective and we all( the project) will profit. There are no losers or winners if we work together in understanding each others motives. Just my 4 cents.. ---------------------------------------- ![]() [Edit 1 times, last edit by Movieman at Nov 16, 2006 8:42:18 PM] |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Dave - like you I don't see Dagorath himself as a loss, but what I do see happening is as a result of his actions is that we are bringing in things here that impact on us all as a kneejerk reaction.
Like my terrorism example - if we change as a society as a result, then they have succeeded in their aims - lets face it one mans rantings and behaviour has already resulted in a hastely re-modeled points system, when it should have been done over a longer period of time with more planning, consultation and communication. I would not like to see something else brought in with undue haste without due consideration and consultation with the overall membership. The fact that we can have these discussions within this thread in a frank and adult manner without insult and flaming is an example that things maybe are not as bad as they may seem. |
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Movieman
Veteran Cruncher Joined: Sep 9, 2006 Post Count: 1042 Status: Offline |
Dave - like you I don't see Dagorath himself as a loss, but what I do see happening is as a result of his actions is that we are bringing in things here that impact on us all as a kneejerk reaction. Like my terrorism example - if we change as a society as a result, then they have succeeded in their aims - lets face it one mans rantings and behaviour has already resulted in a hastely re-modeled points system, when it should have been done over a longer period of time with more planning, consultation and communication. I would not like to see something else brought in with undue haste without due consideration and consultation with the overall membership. The fact that we can have these discussions within this thread in a frank and adult manner without insult and flaming is an example that things maybe are not as bad as they may seem. Ady: I just think a lot(few?) people got so discussed with what went on that they want to put into place a mechanism to deal with something like that in the future. That what I'm Ok with. I don't want to see another round of that happenning here or anywhere. People have sent me links to his rants on other sites on this same issue and if we're lucky he'll get tracked down and his ability to do these sort of things removed. I undersand the mindset of the guy who started this thread and his motives look golden to me. As to the "fix" that WCG put into effect with this last change, yes, It's flawed. Lets hope it gets fixed as fast as it was implemented and get on with making WCG grow. ![]() |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Dave, according to nelsoc we already have something in place to counteract the Dagoraths of this world:
Furthermore, measures are in place to ensure more timely response in the future, should such action be necessary. I am just questioning whether we need to change too much to deal with this isolated problem - maybe we do, but I would like to see the proposals first before we jump in with both feet. I also note I still haven't had an yes or no answer to my earlier question to the CA's even though I have seen several perusing this thread - perhaps if one would care to just quickly do so? |
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Former Member
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Don't worry, we'll keep you updated as well as we can. I'm not going to make any promises about exactly how things will work out.
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Former Member
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Thanks
- I wasn't after details, just wanted to be assured that the membership would be allowed to comment on what you are asking for before any proposals were submitted. |
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keithhenry
Ace Cruncher Senile old farts of the world ....uh.....uh..... nevermind Joined: Nov 18, 2004 Post Count: 18667 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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It was no one event that drove me to start down the path laid out in this thread. It was the regular almost monthly recurrance of events. What I have tried to describe is absolutely nothing new. It all simply involved using tools, processes and avenues that have existed from the beginning of the WCG. It is nothing more than simply being a bit more assertive in their use. Dealing with these events, whatever their form, is never a black and white matter. That is why tolerance and respect are so key to dealing with them. Profanity is pretty clear cut and simple to deal with. Statements in posts that are open to interpretations different from the author's intention can be clarified or addressed pretty easily. CAs can't modify posts here. When more serious problems occur, they can easily be viewed as biased or somesuch by the offender. They are also human and just as prone to respond as the rest of us would and only make the problem worse just as we would responding in kind. When a peer offers respecful guidance and/or correction, it can be more effective because of a perceived greater degree of independence/objectivity. When peers are seen to regularly self-police, it promotes a better behaved environment.
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Former Member
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Can see where your coming from Keith - I think a mixture of the systems now put in place by WCG to cover the more severe incidents plus some gentle peer pressure may just do the trick.
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Sekerob
Ace Cruncher Joined: Jul 24, 2005 Post Count: 20043 Status: Offline |
U see Addy, you are, we are getting to the point what I was writing to you about..... no more tools needed, no further specificity in rules on paper. We can talk about them, consider them, but do we want them, or be let to maintain decorum without higher interference?
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