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Re: WCG VFD (Volunteer Fire Department)

I'm probably going to make myself upopular saying this, but one thing I am wary about is giving CA's the power of banning members, and I am slightly reticent about giving them back the powers of editing/closing/removing threads after what happened in the past which caused the removal of those powers.

Although I have the highest regard for the CA's here - your not a bad bunch tongue - I think due to the fact they are also active team members as well, it could leave them open to critisism and allegations of team bias in certain situations which may lead to more flame wars etc.

All I would like to see is the WCG staff being a little more active in carrying out these kind of things.

Ady: With just the smallest of exceptions, I'd be very comfortable with the present group of CA's having those powers.
These guys seem straight to me.
Hey, I'll be the first to admit that when challenged or insulted my Irish goes up. Sometimes I quell the beast, sometimes not. Depends on what is said and how "cutting" the remark.
I'm the type that if you called me a four letter word I might laugh and let it go or just return it. If you hurt my wife,mother or daughter, I'd come for you and the laws would mean nothing to me.
I see things in blacks and whites. If there's an issue I want to fix it and I admit to not caring for talking things to death while the problems continue. Identify,analyze, then fix..To me it's that simple.
So thats me, and as things here seemed to be now under control and most of the issues are settled outside of this credit deal I don't see why we can't be one big happy family and try and make this thing grow till IBM has to call in outside help to build new servers to keep up! wink
One of my personal goals is to see David Autumns come in here with a smile and announce in 3-6 months that we've doubled production from what we do now.
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Re: WCG VFD (Volunteer Fire Department)

I have to wonder how, back when the CA's had a separate username for that purpose, no one chose Sisyphus. sad

This ring a bell?


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Re: WCG VFD (Volunteer Fire Department)

LOL Nite Owl that's a great little graphic sums it up perfectly

Movieman some days I think that this whole venture is being deliberately being kept secret by IBM <controvrsial>

as for CA's and the team thing at the end of the day we are all batting for the same team - Team WCG. There's not one ounce of any of the CA's that thinks I'm not going to help that cruncher out because they are on a different team and might get more points as a result. None of us are that small minded.

Likewise it's patently obvious to anyone when the line has been crossed and needs to be sorted. This is the equivalent job to helping out a fellow cruncher, rescuing a fellow cruncher from abuse...

Just my thoughts this morning
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love struck Get yer Dukes UP We All can be proactive!

I have to wonder how, back when the CA's had a separate username for that purpose, no one chose Sisyphus. sad

This ring a bell?



Hi Nite Owl, Dave, Yall!
Get yer Dukes UP!
We All can be proactive!
This is the smoothest I have seen this forum.
I ran away from GRID/ud to WCG and then later ran from this forum also.
Our Admins here are not our Enemies. We are just low on "The List".
Our enemy is threads that Drive off new Crunchers.
TO QUOTE MYSELF;
"We All can be proactive! "
Follow your heart, as that is the quality of rule here; or "We are all Equal."
When you first see the enemy; beg them to cool it for the good of ALL and pray for them!
IF that is not enough to get the fire out,
TO QUOTE MYSELF;
We All can be proactive!
OK Heart stuff can be for us folks of the forum too, so we can fight back till the Referees arrive.
We all can post as we wish. (We all have the bomb here.)
We can (Each of us ) pound down the threads with posts to other ones.
If the enemy goes proactive to keep its thread at the top; Even 1 Cruncher could post 100s of huge graphics and many posts to
spread out the negativity;
Three or four of us could KNOCK them out! LOL
(Till the Referees come to save us all...............)
If we don't ACT we are all Sisyphus's and Babies.
crying chicken crying chicken crying chicken crying chicken
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Re: WCG VFD (Volunteer Fire Department)

I'm probably going to make myself upopular saying this, but one thing I am wary about is giving CA's the power of banning members, and I am slightly reticent about giving them back the powers of editing/closing/removing threads after what happened in the past which caused the removal of those powers.

Although I have the highest regard for the CA's here - your not a bad bunch tongue - I think due to the fact they are also active team members as well, it could leave them open to critisism and allegations of team bias in certain situations which may lead to more flame wars etc.

All I would like to see is the WCG staff being a little more active in carrying out these kind of things.

Ady: With just the smallest of exceptions, I'd be very comfortable with the present group of CA's having those powers.
These guys seem straight to me.

Dave - I too am comfortable with the current crop of CA's (even you Sek laughing ) and as I said I have the highest regard for them - they do a great job here.

However there is history to this which I won't drag up here - the result of which is that CA's had to use their real member names and certain powers were withdrawn.

As it happens I feel that the just the revealing of the real member names probably did the trick and was enough to remove any suspicion attached to actions without having to remove their powers (something that Rosetta may learn from wink ) , but it was done that way and that has been so to date.

So you may understand my slight apprehension about going back to those days - but I confess I am comfortable with the spread and quality of our CA's so what will be will be.

I would say though - are we using a sledgehammer to crack a nut? - the problem of late has primarily been to do with one person which WCG have finally now resolved using certain systems now in place - what followed was the result of that persons actions, to be honest I would like to think that similar instances would be few and far between, and something that WCG can more than handle.

I would hate us to overeact and allow that person to have had undue influence over the way we run our forum.
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Other things to bear in mind are that the CA lineup has changed. All the earlier controversy happened before Sek and I came on board. RT has resigned as a gesture of protest due to the way our hands are tied. David and I were strongly tempted to do likewise, but we decided we would have a more positive effect by struggling on (or at least that was my thinking). Other CAs have either faded out or never taken an active role, or been forced into inactivity by external events.

So most of the actual interaction is down to myself, David, Lawrence and Sekerob. Other CAs do drop in from time to time.

What I think is a pity is you so often don't get to see WCG's successes. When things go so perfectly that nobody notices anything, now that's clockwork. Last weekend, for example, nobody noticed our old friend returning, did they? Things don't always go so smoothly, but sometimes things do go right.
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Re: WCG VFD (Volunteer Fire Department)

Tuppence worth............

I think folks appreciate that things cannot and will not always go smoothly.

The important thing is to keep the volunteers appraised.
Had grid done that, communicated with it's membership, it would probably still have most of it's userbase.

***t happens, and that is understandable, but not keeping the userbase in the loop is reprehensible.

The input from the scientific folks at this place make a big difference, to both the credibility of the projects, and the goodwill of the userbase.
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Dave - I too am comfortable with the current crop of CA's (even you Sek laughing ) and as I said I have the highest regard for them - they do a great job here.

However there is history to this which I won't drag up here - the result of which is that CA's had to use their real member names and certain powers were withdrawn.

Only 2 weeks in between a rock and a hard place ....... oh well, I'll curse in Italian...... cool
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Other things to bear in mind are that the CA lineup has changed. All the earlier controversy happened before Sek and I came on board. RT has resigned as a gesture of protest due to the way our hands are tied. David and I were strongly tempted to do likewise, but we decided we would have a more positive effect by struggling on (or at least that was my thinking). Other CAs have either faded out or never taken an active role, or been forced into inactivity by external events.

So most of the actual interaction is down to myself, David, Lawrence and Sekerob. Other CAs do drop in from time to time.

I probably didn't make it totally clear in my post that I appreciated that the current spread of CA's had changed - and a good bunch you are too, so I apologise for that - I just wanted to give Dave (Movieman) an insight into some of the history of why.

As I've said I think the problem in the past was probably cleared up by just revealing CA's true identities - I'm sure the return of proper moderating powers would be used wisely by you all.

Off course if your short of help - I am only a call away wink

Sek - Lei sa che io non l'ha significato il mio amico smile
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We can't fix the level of or lack of (depending on your view) communication with/from the admins. What I want to change is the regularly recurring lack of civility in the forums. I'm not claiming that such behavior is intentional or willful (at least in almost all occurrances). Even a saint has a temper and we all have or eventually will post something that we wouldn't normally. It's the lack of an immediate response to that initial post that quite frankly simply violates the rather simple, straight-forward forum rules we have. Without that, that post is a match tossed into a gas can. Here, it seems the gas can can contain nitro, petrol, or diesel. Folks react as the human beings that they are and off we go. I have seen single posts that are clearly out of line that don't get a reaction; others have ignited outright flamewars. IMHO, we need a way to catch that initial post and call it for what it is - politely and non-confrontationally - but firmly. Give the poster the opportunity to edit the post themselves. Let's catch that match before it gets to the gas can. Except for the inevitable but very rare case, we are a decent lot and, when politely told that our post was offensive, we'll accept that and fix the post or apologize. Either way, we defuse a potentially volatile situation. Catching and addressing a problem at the start usually takes less effort than later on. We have to keep in mind how we are presenting ourselves as a community to someone new, someone who is reading various pages of the WCG website. Some of the things they can find in these forums is not very complimentary of us. Others tire of it all and quit WCG altogether. Is expecting civility unreasonable?
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