Good evening people

Step back from those keyboards just for once and listen to yourselves. What are you actually arguing about? Points. What are points? Are they of any value whatsoever? Is it going to change your life if you have 1 million or just 1?

Answer = no

Is contributing to the research being carried out on this grid going to change someone elses life?

Answer = Hopefully yes

How much damage seen and unseen are you doing to how quickly Hopefully yes turns into Definitely yes by this constant barrage of abuse over bloody pointless points and yes that is an expletive because yes I am pig sick of the bickering over something that is supposed to be for the common good. IBM have tried to make it fairer for all concerned but there's always a few who take umbrage at everything and anything being done.

Back up this thread it says how often are people to visit this forum, well hopefully in recent weeks very little indeed hopefully they sign up and crunch because they think its the right thing to do and that research keeps on getting done and hopefully a lot more soon.

Please remember that the reason for all of this is in the hope of preventing someone the suffering of HIV or Cancer or many other diseases and conditions.

If you wish to carry on knocking 7 bells out of each other carry on but I will not have any part of it. I will just go back to focusing on the positive the fact that each day of the working week more than the equivalent of 50,000 PC's ran 24 hours a day Monday to Friday and 604,034 work units of research into HIV and Cancer were returned to the Scientists who can make a difference. I would like to see those figures increasing. I would like to see us together break 150 years in a day soon. I would like to see us complete a Millennium in just 1 week soon but those milestones could be reached all the sooner if every weekend wasn't littered with a rutting stag mentality.

It is just ridiculous


Now do you really want me to ring the bell for Round 16?

Or have we all had enough?

Good Night all
Dave

Just what action is needed on the part of any cruncher to comply?

What difference did it make to anyone's crunching on the 6th?


That said I understand the point being made (Oh the irony of those words)

Perhaps the rush this time was to bring this whole shenanigans to a close as quickly as possible so we could get back to what we do best which is crunch.

Dave

Well done WCG for taking this stand.

And good on ya CA's, you're doing a good job handling this issue.

Yes, Yes, Yes and ... as many "yes" as everybody likes and needs.

I am crunching for the "good idea" of this project - for all projects i participate(d) in - the last ~ 5 - 6 years ( as carl does ... )

Nevertheless i see no point in this discussion, whether it is matter of fact or not.
Instead of wasting the project developers time e.g. in this pointless discussion it would be productive to develop an own system which allows to measure real flops done on each job in particular without any prob. Further the developers would be far more in "their range of activity" if they code the implementations for all sientific extensions ( SSE 1 - 4 + ... ) into the WCG app instead of "pausing their activities" or utilising them elsewhere.

And sorry - but the most important thing, which where mentioned before in many , many posts everywhere here - was : FAIR competition counts.

This is the main motivation for me.

This only as a: "btw. - note"

Please all of you :

Do us all a favour and leave this discusion for awhile ( some weeks ? )

"Rome wasn't built in one day" - and won't be completed in the next few hundred thausand of days . It never ends as long as humans are involved.

Give the staff at least a chance to make their decisions and do proper development.

All what may be of interest during that time will be productive hints for the development.
Before that stage is a definition of "FAIR" crucial.
And an implementation as seen immediately to be done.

So please don't let me be misunderstood. I see the point everyone puts into the discussion. I would prefer a straight work to solve the issues of doing more/better work by enhancing the scientific app.

I believe in the prosperity of community projects like W Community G.

I agree that points are POINTLESS

However points are at least the comparison between me and myself...

( e.g. Before buying a new computer and after )

Friendly competition is the best method to drive me to new ( computing- ) horizons.

I 'll leave out the numberless reasons on detail like personal experience , several unexpected burials , personal ill health, etc, etc .

What i try to say is : Why the project and all of its participants don't try to work together for the good goal ?

Excuse my bad lingo, because english isn't my native tongue and i am very tired just now.

Just a comment Movieman

Everyone is being treated equally so your loss of 5% is anothers loss of 5%

So the race runs at the same speed and everyone catches or looses at the same rate.

It is an attempt to normalise the results across all clients Windows/Linux and Mac which has been a sore subject and I am sorry to have to say some tweaking of the points system to gain positive advantage among members.

The changes implemented by IBM go some way to addressing these 2 issues so everyone is been dealt an even hand.

That still leaves the UD/BOINC discrepancy to iron out....


It's Sunday get outside and get a lung full or 2 of fresh air take a look at the World and then tell me this really really matters

Honestly it "don’t amount to a hill of beans in this crazy world"

Dave