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Former Member
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If that wasn't enough, the XS team got an official ruling on the question, and changed their team recommendation as a result. May I suggest you read what XS got officially, it did not state the use of Opti`s was cheating or that it would be penalised in any way shape or form. Clear communication please ! I am not on XS nor have I recieved email from any dev, nor has any RULING stating opti`s were illegal been made. I am not complaining of the new system just the implementation of punishment to innocents ! |
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Former Member
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The changes were announced in the normal way.
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Former Member
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What giving people no chance but to be punished as it was implemented ?
----------------------------------------That`s crap and you know it. That`s like a cop making the law up as he goes ! I am not against the system of points I am, howether, against punishing innocents for what WAS NOT DECLARED ILLEGAL ! The changes were announced in the normal way. Yeah a bit like telling people in the water the ship has sunk ! Marvelous communication skills.....Tell me is all science like this, think what we could do if we taught them to communicate ! ![]() [Edit 3 times, last edit by Former Member at Nov 10, 2006 10:29:43 PM] |
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Former Member
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I can only reiterate: WCG have never supported any unofficial clients.
You use an unofficial client entirely at your own risk. Sorry. |
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Former Member
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What XS were told by THE PROJECT not CA`s were they PREFERRED nobody used optimised.
"At your own risk" is not saying we will punish you if you do, is it ? There is a clear and marked difference ! |
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Former Member
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During the first trial of the modified point system, we found that one of Didactylos' computers running BOINC as a service was claiming the normal AMD Athlon benchmark scores, but seemed to run the science application only half as fast as it should. So the points claimed per hour were fine, but the points per result were inflated. The new system caught this and awarded him only half-credit. (Half of what others claimed - only a quarter of what his system was claiming.) So how to explain this? Any change is going to cause disruption. We only made the change because so many of our members were feeling about the way that things were.Our goal is to end up with a system that our members feel is fairer. Of course, there are still a few steps to go. Lawrence |
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Former Member
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Lawrence I`m not complaining of the system I`m complaining of no forewarning of punishment meeted out to what were upto the day innocents !
----------------------------------------Forewarned is forearmed. A week to change would have been nice , instead I lose half points doing the same work with no knowledge of why ! A mail would have been better, we don`t all frequent here all the time. The punishment could have been delayed and is really unecessary anyhow. I couldn`t be bothered to look at what I needed to change, I uninstalled Boinc losing all work units in progress and reinstalled on 4 duals using default. 8 partially done wu`s were lost......The science lost, multiply that by the approx 5% of users the Devs said are using opti`s....That`s a lot of science ! Someone needs to think carefully ! [Edit 3 times, last edit by Former Member at Nov 10, 2006 11:27:45 PM] |
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keithhenry
Ace Cruncher Senile old farts of the world ....uh.....uh..... nevermind Joined: Nov 18, 2004 Post Count: 18667 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Carl, in http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread?thread=9545 , Kevin point on 11/1 that they were going to implement the new system after the successful completion of the beta of it. On 11/6, he updated that thread to say that the beta was successful and that they were implementing the new system on all projects. Okay, you only had five days there to see that thread in Member News where they normally post announcements. If you don't check in say once a week, then yes, you could have missed this before it started. How much notice is enough notice? If you say a week is enough, what about the folks that only look at the forums once or twice a month? What about those that don't look at all? Okay, send an email to everyone. I suspect there that a decent percentage of the email addresses WCG has aren't accurate. If you rely on email, how far do you have to go to make sure folks keep a current email address on file?
----------------------------------------I'm not disagreeing with your point but what's the one answer that avoids the potential for any "carls"? |
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Former Member
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Firstly, let me apologise for not reading the date correctly on the Members news post....I took the 9/11 date instead of first post.
As I stated I have been away with personal problems, I knew nothing of these changes until today. An attempt at mass email would have been good, not WCG`s fault if addies are wrong. The punishment is still unnecessary.... A volunteer is a volunteer and the whole concept of previous discussions was a FAIR points system.....Taking away points is ludicrously unjust, just as gaining extra was/is ! An eye for eye is not the answer. |
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keithhenry
Ace Cruncher Senile old farts of the world ....uh.....uh..... nevermind Joined: Nov 18, 2004 Post Count: 18667 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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u need to qualify the "somewhat less points for HDC". Spot on Sek. All I have at this point is what I've "noticed" and I without question need to pull hard data on my past WU's to see exactly what if any difference there is. That's why I thinking of it in terms of points per unit of runtime. I want to try to eliminate skewing factors and get it down to the point of "my machine crunches X amount per runtime unit and that's worth Z points for my machine's benchmarks. No, I expect I won't be able to eliminate all of the skewing factors but I'd prefer to pull out as many as I can so I get this right the first time. I don't want to go saying running project A vs. project B on the same machine will get you more points, especially with the current "mood of the masses". I do know that we have a lot of smart folks out there and I'm more that willing to consider their input. I know I want to look at my points claimed and not awarded. I also want to look at it in terms of CPU time, not clock time. I know I want to avoid considering "per WU" as those clearly vary - especially lately - I've had some HDC WU's run almost as long as is typical for FAAH. |
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