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Re: BOINC Points post in Member News

After reading this entire thread, I'm all in favor of dumping points all together and just going off the results returned for a ranking of how well one is doing.
When It comes down to it...the points just don't matter.
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Re: BOINC Points post in Member News

Hi staffann.

I still maintain that the KISS method with appropriate mods stands the best chance to be fair. That's 'out there'. Meanwhile I try to work within what we have and be as constructive as possible toward improving on that. The decisions aren't mine to make.

Carl: In the same way that you are forced to read a newspaper, watch the TV, turn on a radio or check your email, I guess you'll visit the forums as often as you want information.

Cheers. ozylynx
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Re: BOINC Points post in Member News

Carl: In the same way that you are forced to read a newspaper, watch the TV, turn on a radio or check your email, I guess you'll visit the forums as often as you want information.


Being as DC is the use of uneeded cycles and not as a full time occupation this MAY mean that people will not frequently come here unless there is a problem.

In my case my personal life has important issues at present, the only reason I was drawn was the sudden drop in points I was getting, leading me to believe there was a problem.......There was.....I had been penalised for something that as far as I am aware was NOT against any ruling.

I was not given fair chance to change anything before the penalty took place.

I am aggrieved and bitter at this present time and am VERY tempted to try to cheat the system as a way of getting my own back. I do not like being found guilty in my absence without even having the ability/knowledge to change. It sticks in my throat and is certainly the nearest I have come to chucking in DC after nearly 6 years.

At least someone should have had the decency and gall to tell me that THE PROJECT was now criminalising crunch3rs client which was not the previous position. A vague statement that high claims will be penalised is not a clear and concise effort on behalf of WCG. Exactly what is a high claim ? It should have been clearly stated by the PROJECT that opti`s ARE NOT ALLOWED , end of, but like many they have no stomach for rules and it ends a mess leaving someone feeling bad.

Clear concise communication is a must, one cannot criminalise without first communicating the rules very precisely.

In order to address issue #2 we are going to implementing a new algorithim for awarding credit granted. In the new algorithim we will no longer automatically discard the high and low values during validation in order to compute the credit granted. Instead we will exclude any claimed credits that are statistical outliers and then average the remaining values. Additionally, in cases where the claimed credit is significantly higher then the granted credit, the member will only be awarded half of the granted credit. Finally, invalid results will only be granted half credit as well.


Nowhere in this is a mention of optimised clients, "significantly higher" means what ? As crunch3rs clients has alway`s been known about and possibly used by 5% one would presume it didn`t mean that and being as these clients rarely affected the scoring because of the quorum I certainly would not have thought them a problem even having read the above.

The whole scenario has been handled badly and yet again I find the scientific world lacking in social understanding and graces. In fact I now wonder if we gave science some people who know exactly how to communicate whether we could progress at a far greater rate, as it`s obviously a problem judging by the projects I have participated in.
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Re: BOINC Points post in Member News

carl.h, I have had a look through your posting history, and I see that you have previously participated in discussions about optimised clients. It seems unlikely, given this, that you were totally unaware that a majority of crunchers disapproved of using optimised clients purely to gain credit, and also that WCG were planning on preventing anyone taking advantage in that manner.

You were given every opportunity to stop using an optimised client, or to find a calibrated client that can deal with different levels of optimisation. You chose to ignore this.

So, now you have a choice: you can use the official client, or you can continue having your claims penalised, or you can leave WCG. Just please stop complaining about it. WCG gave you more warning than they were required to give you, and if you're unhappy about that then you should send an email to WCG instead of airing your grievances here.
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Re: BOINC Points post in Member News

After reading this entire thread, I'm all in favor of dumping points all together and just going off the results returned for a ranking of how well one is doing.
When It comes down to it...the points just don't matter.

Unfortunately this wouldn't work, as different projects have different WU completion times - you can crunch around 3 HDC results in the time of 1 FAAH result, so those wishing to crunch FAAH only would be at a severe disadvantage.
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Re: BOINC Points post in Member News

You were given every opportunity to stop using an optimised client


Who by ? You ?

WCG said they preferred if crunchers did not use opti`s. They did not state at anytime it was not allowed or would be penalised until this instance !

What you and other crunchers thought is neither here nor there.

using optimised clients purely to gain credit


The idea of the quorum was to stop this taking place which afaik was happening.


I am entitled to post as I please as long as I keep within forum guidelines so please do not seek to censor me
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Re: BOINC Points post in Member News

What do you want me to say?

You really don't have a leg to stand on. Your continued insistance that WCG are somehow to blame for your misinterpretation of the rules merely makes you look silly.

No matter how long you continue, you will always get the same answer. WCG don't find it is productive to accuse anyone of cheating. Nevertheless, cheating is against the rules. The policy has not changed. The enforcement has.

I'm beginning to sound like a broken record.
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Re: BOINC Points post in Member News

For someone with not a leg to stand on, YOU have avoided answering most of my argument !

Was crunch3r`s client against WCG rules ?

No, people were allowed to use it and it was NEVER declared illegal or punishable !

Policy HAS changed whether you like it or not the implementation of a deduction of points for using opti`s was not part of WCG policy but now is....What is it you , Didactylos cannot see ? It is a clear change in policy, I fail to see your skewed logic to this !

I think you`ll find if you put your CA hat aside your argument is more personal than WCG policy, I have known this side of you for sometime do not forget.
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Re: BOINC Points post in Member News

Read my lips.

crunch3r's optimised files were not supported. They are not supported, they have never been supported, and they will not be supported.

Therefore, WCG had no need to include such things in any rule. Why should they? It's simply not supported.

When people asked for clarification, they were told WCG prefer that you do not use unsupported clients. What else should they say? How much more clear could they be?

I believe WCG have said officially everything they are going to say on the matter. As you know, CAs do not directly represent WCG. However, if we inadvertently make an error, then they are quick to correct us. As you can see, nobody has contradicted my statement of the WCG position on this.
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Re: BOINC Points post in Member News

After reading this entire thread, I'm all in favor of dumping points all together and just going off the results returned for a ranking of how well one is doing.
When It comes down to it...the points just don't matter.

Unfortunately this wouldn't work, as different projects have different WU completion times - you can crunch around 3 HDC results in the time of 1 FAAH result, so those wishing to crunch FAAH only would be at a severe disadvantage.

"Severe disadvantage". ?? The work is getting done, right?
OK...
I think the point of doing this work has been lost. Like I mentioned above "the points just don't matter".
Is it so important to be higher than someone/everyone else. Friendly competition is fine but this points thing has gone completely out of hand and you should re-evaluate why your crunching to begin with.
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