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mike047
Senior Cruncher Joined: Aug 22, 2006 Post Count: 262 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Someone spending 100K of their hard earned cash purely to run the World Community Grid at Home has to be extra ordinary rather than the norm, 1 in 233,957 perhaps? I'm sorry to say but we have to look after Joe Ordinary Cruncher 103,133 are members of teams that's 130,824 who are not. Only 4188 Teams out of the 12,708 created have more than 2 Members I have not spent 100k but about 25-30k on dedicated crunchers, and don't feel that I am extra ordinary. I would wager there are more "dedicated" high rollers in the project than you or IBM thinks. It is an infection that grows and becomes a passion and will fuel the expansion of WCG and DC. Food for thought.
mike
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Lawrence do you not think something should be stated clearly in the members news about this ?
If you look back you will see I first thought I had a problem before actually finding out what was happening, so look after the ordinary Joes....I`m in IT they may not be. Please state what is going on clearly, none of the invalid units shows when clicked that it`s just a high claim........I know it`s just a fudge but please, please....... communication....... ![]() |
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Movieman
Veteran Cruncher Joined: Sep 9, 2006 Post Count: 1042 Status: Offline |
Hi Movieman carl.h rob725 and all others out there listening (1)Someone spending 100K of their own hard earned cash on Distributed Computing can't do so just for the points there has to be a greater motivation driving that investment such as a close personal involvement in the potential outcome of the Medical Research being carried out here. Someone spending 100K of their hard earned cash purely to run the World Community Grid at Home has to be extra ordinary rather than the norm, 1 in 233,957 perhaps? I'm sorry to say but we have to look after Joe Ordinary Cruncher 103,133 are members of teams that's 130,824 who are not. Only 4188 Teams out of the 12,708 created have more than 2 Members carl.h your Work Units are only marked as invalid if they don't tally with the rest of the quorum. This is usually down to computational error most likely caused by a heat stressed CPU on account of overclocking. If you back it off a bit then your PC will be more stable and those points will come in. Every now and again a good hoovering of your CPU Heatsink is a good idea. When I see those invalids in my Work Units its time to break out the Dyson again (2)I fully appreciate the addictive nature of Grid Computing it really should have a government health warning attached. I have 7 PC's in the house running WCG (Yep I'm paying for my 2 daughters points as well) and yesterday a MacBook moved in with us with a V nice 2Ghz*2 core duo processor currently twiddling it thumbs (can't yet prize it away from my eldest to do the necessary )p.s. no points have been removed from anyone it just that for BOINC the future will be fairer all round. Thanks IBM Dave (1)We have one guy on the team who runs 93 machines for WCG. Over 50 of them are high end machines and the rest normal Dell P4's. I can't imagine the investment he has but I think it's fair to say that it's way over $100K I could list you here over 10 people from the team running over 30 machines(that $50K investment I mentioned)another 20 running over 20 machines($40K investment) and another 50-70 running from 6-10 machines($20K investment) and some of those are what you'd classify as very high end machines.I've got app $15K invested and 3 more machines(very high end coming in a week) Honestly David, it's not as rare as you think. Motivations? They vary tremendously. Some chase just the points as a natural sideline to their love of high end equipment and the competitions give them a chance to show off the systems they've built and match them against others. Some do it just for the online relationships that are formed with others of the same interests. Some have personal reasons such as the loss of a family member to one of these diseases. The bottom line to me is I don't care what the reason is that brings them to DC, that is their own personal business. I am just thankful that they do come and help. XS is not the only team with people like this. There are many others. (2) 7 machines huh? You sound like XS material my friend. Drop in and see us some time. You might be surprised to find out that outside of this dedication, we're a bunch of perfectly normal people with lives,families and outside interests. Don't even feel a need to post, just look around and do some reading. There are fascinating articles on almost every aspect of high end computing. You might find it an eye opener. ![]() ![]() [Edit 1 times, last edit by Movieman at Nov 12, 2006 5:33:23 PM] |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
Hi carl.h,
What happened was a sudden storm in the forum. Quick, hasty action was taken to deal with it. I think that a carefully planned response would have done things differently (and better) - - but in this case speed was essential. We now have more action planned in this area (BOINC 5.8) so I expect that some additional changes will be made in a slower, more thoughtful, manner. I don't expect the Invalid status kludge will stay there forever. But most of our effort is going to the 'upcoming project', HPF2 bugs, graphics. . . . There is a long list of things we really need to take care of someday. (Doing them last year would have been ideal. )Lawrence |
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David Autumns
Ace Cruncher UK Joined: Nov 16, 2004 Post Count: 11062 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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Movieman I'm not high end I'm Value for Money man
----------------------------------------I'm in 3800+ territory the VFM Processor for my next build. 2 of my 5 were built for just £126 each with a couple of sub 5Gig Hard Drives which us computer types have lying around (+Action pack subscription ) but those Socket A Semprons churn out 3GFlops a piece One is so ugly I hide it under my desk with only the back end of the Case showing it's 100M Ethernet cable. SIS Mobo's with onboard everything Sound, Graphics, NIC £26 each I'd post a pic but it might break my camera it has a very flexible £19.99 case inc PSU but it's crunching away right now adding one more day every day![]() |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
I understand the need to move quickly at times and priorities too......But delegation and communication are key....A quick mail to a CA for him to post etc......
----------------------------------------Someone spending 100K of their own hard earned cash on Distributed Computing can't do so just for the points there has to be a greater motivation driving that investment such as a close personal involvement in the potential outcome of the Medical Research being carried out here. I am not altruistic about my participation at all, I firmly believe if we cure one thing another will come up or overpopulation would cause more violence / deaths.....I believe in balance, there will alway`s be good and bad and they both must be. My 4 dual machines, all recent upgrades, come to a few bob but I don`t crunch for the science side or even to say I was part of a potential cure ( though I do often sell it like that to others). I crunch for the team, the social side of things and the human side of me, that I need to belong to some clan/team somewhere in my life. I also crunch for the competition though I may not be in the Premier league so points are important perhaps more so than I feel the science is. I am not alone in these thoughts. I hate bodges and even more so I hate bad communication, there is no need for it in this day and age. I abhor being criminalised though I may run my life close to the line therefore I need to know the rules, straight , pure and simple. If someone moves the goalpost`s without my knowledge and then punishes me I`m not happy. It`s like having yellow lines painted under your parked car that weren`t there when you parked. I`m a volunteer, I was in given guidelines afaik, then I`m being punished...... WHY ??? The need to deduct points was/is a totally unnecessary point it`s just going to pee people off. Someone tell me why there was a NEED to punish me ? I have approx 90 invalid WU`s a loss of points equalling ....??? What has the project gained from it ? I dumped work totalling upto 40 CPU hours ! Why ???? [Edit 2 times, last edit by Former Member at Nov 12, 2006 6:22:42 PM] |
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Movieman
Veteran Cruncher Joined: Sep 9, 2006 Post Count: 1042 Status: Offline |
Movieman I'm not high end I'm Value for Money man I'm in 3800+ territory the VFM Processor for my next build. 2 of my 5 were built for just £126 each with a couple of sub 5Gig Hard Drives which us computer types have lying around (+Action pack subscription ) but those Socket A Semprons churn out 3GFlops a piece One is so ugly I hide it under my desk with only the back end of the Case showing it's 100M Ethernet cable. SIS Mobo's with onboard everything Sound, Graphics, NIC £26 each I'd post a pic but it might break my camera it has a very flexible £19.99 case inc PSU but it's crunching away right now adding one more day every dayX2-3800's are ok, BUT long haul your best bang for the buck inc elec cost is a conroe 6600 with a good aftermarket HS and quality high end ram. Will out produce 2 normal machines and elec savings will help pay for it over time. ![]() [Edit 1 times, last edit by Movieman at Nov 12, 2006 6:22:41 PM] |
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David Autumns
Ace Cruncher UK Joined: Nov 16, 2004 Post Count: 11062 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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It's like that hydra of Greek mythology
----------------------------------------No one person is being picked on and no points have been deducted The playing field is just less angular than it used to be across BOINC Land There's only so many ways you can say this. I'm outta here looks like this will run and run folks Night from the UK Dave ![]() |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
BUT long haul your best bang for the buck inc elec cost is a conroe 6600 with a good aftermarket HS and quality high end ram. Will out produce 2 normal machines and elec savings will help pay for it over time. Seriously been considering going that route as well. ![]() Not to get things OT Anxiously waiting for the next version of boinc. Tired of seeing crap points in linux for the same work. ![]() |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
no points have been deducted I beg your pardon ? in cases where the claimed credit is significantly higher then the granted credit, the member will only be awarded half of the granted credit. Of course points have been deducted, any significantly(???) high credit claim is awarded only half the correct amount ! That is any who may be running crunch3rs client as they have done for eons, it was previously dealt with by the quorum. Now it is penalised and for your money you are getting half points, kinda puts you in a linux bracket which WCG are trying to solve. A lower bracket of deliberate intent, unnecessarily ! [Edit 2 times, last edit by Former Member at Nov 12, 2006 6:40:16 PM] |
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