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Sgt.Joe
Ace Cruncher USA Joined: Jul 4, 2006 Post Count: 7846 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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Congratualtions to you too on your upcomming 33. We must be a bunch of "old" guys...still playing with our computers! - Mitch I'm 27 years old.  You probably know more about computers/computing at your age than I will ever know Cheers
Sgt. Joe
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mclaver
Veteran Cruncher Joined: Dec 19, 2005 Post Count: 566 Status: Offline Project Badges: 
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You probably know more about computers/computing at your age than I will ever know Cheers I actaully build computers as a hobby. I now have 14 machines that have all been built from parts, ranging from an AMD 4200 to an Intel I7 965. Once they are built, I do nothing with them, other than Run WCG 24x7. If my wife new the impact on the electrical bill, she would shut me down. - Mitch ----------------------------------------    |
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
About a year ago I tried to get the company I work to partner up with WCG and get the 550 core 2 dual computers on the grid. The board decided it was not worth the time and money to get involved. And now with the economy the way it is there is no chance to they will reconsider their decision. I just don't understand the thinking of some people especially management. I believe it all comes down to greed.  It turns my stomach.On a happier note, I celebrate my 26th wedding anniversary this Thursday.  Wow...it only seems like....30 years ago Congratullations on your 26th wedding anniversary. In todays day and age that is a significant accomplishments. Many people do not have the commitment to make it that long. I am looking forward to my 35th this summer. And I have to continue to negotatie to support my "data center" :) Congratulations to both of you. I am looking forward to my 33rd in the fall. And I do know there is great tolerance on my wife's part for putting up with the machines I have running. Brink, if you gave it your best shot that is all anyone can ask. I don't think the powers that be realize that the cost to them would be next to nothing and they could feel they are contributing to something worthwhile. There is always the hope more enlightened minds get on the board. A computer running at ~10% CPU utilization draws a LOT less power and generates a LOT less heat than one running at 100% CPU utilization. Power and heat = money. I don't blame management at all for deciding not to do that. Their job is to make money for the shareholders (or private investors) and pretty much NOTHING else matters. That's the way corporations SHOULD work. So basically, you have to convince them that they can "advertise" the good work they're doing with their extra CPU cycles going to WCG and that this will entice more customers to their product... somehow... and that this will exceed the additional power and cooling costs associated with running WCG on a large scale.. Not an easy task, but that's how you have to approach it if you're serious. You do make a good point. I will concede that running at 100% utilization will take more juice and require more cooling. However, If you are a large enough user, you are buying your electricity in bigger, possibly wholesale chunks. If the marginal change in your electric use is small, say less than 5%, the additional cost will probably be even less than 5%, as the cost does not scale linearly with use (economies of scale). I would say an accountant could run the numbers and figure out what the additional cost might be at different usage levels or different time of day usage ( maybe only run during off hours). I also agree that controlling costs by a corporate entity is important to stay in business, but there is some value to public service work that may exceed its cost. My proposal was to only run one core at 100% and only during business hours. A lot of people freak when they see the task manager pegged at 100%, both cores.  We do get cheap power. Excel energy can cut our power at any time during peak times then we run on a big CAT powered generator. |
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Warpedcow
Advanced Cruncher Joined: Mar 21, 2009 Post Count: 148 Status: Offline |
We do get cheap power. Excel energy can cut our power at any time during peak times then we run on a big CAT powered generator. Don't forget the AC. The "550 Core 2" computers the OP mentioned would (assuming 65W dual core chips) generate roughly THREE MILLION BTU of heat PER DAY. I assure you that cooling that much heat is not "chump change" for any IT budget.
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Warpedcow
Advanced Cruncher Joined: Mar 21, 2009 Post Count: 148 Status: Offline |
I actaully build computers as a hobby. I now have 14 machines that have all been built from parts, ranging from an AMD 4200 to an Intel I7 965. Once they are built, I do nothing with them, other than Run WCG 24x7. If my wife new the impact on the electrical bill, she would shut me down. I've built all my systems since I started college as well.... I typically "hand down" my old parts to systems I build for family.... of course I usually stick WCG on them too :)
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Former Member
Cruncher Joined: May 22, 2018 Post Count: 0 Status: Offline |
I actaully build computers as a hobby. I now have 14 machines that have all been built from parts, ranging from an AMD 4200 to an Intel I7 965. Once they are built, I do nothing with them, other than Run WCG 24x7. If my wife new the impact on the electrical bill, she would shut me down. I've built all my systems since I started college as well.... I typically "hand down" my old parts to systems I build for family.... of course I usually stick WCG on them too :) All family PCs I put WCG on. I also get most of my friends to run it. I think it's the least they can do for my unpaid tech support.   |
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Sgt.Joe
Ace Cruncher USA Joined: Jul 4, 2006 Post Count: 7846 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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We do get cheap power. Excel energy can cut our power at any time during peak times then we run on a big CAT powered generator. Don't forget the AC. The "550 Core 2" computers the OP mentioned would (assuming 65W dual core chips) generate roughly THREE MILLION BTU of heat PER DAY. I assure you that cooling that much heat is not "chump change" for any IT budget. Depends on their location. They may be in an area that needs the waste heat or does not need AC at all even with them running. If the additional heat causes a strain on AC, I would agree it may not be worth running them (as much as I would like to see them put to work). Cheers
Sgt. Joe
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Warpedcow
Advanced Cruncher Joined: Mar 21, 2009 Post Count: 148 Status: Offline |
Depends on their location. They may be in an area that needs the waste heat or does not need AC at all even with them running. If the additional heat causes a strain on AC, I would agree it may not be worth running them (as much as I would like to see them put to work). You are of course correct. I actually do this myself. I run WCG on 100% during the winter but generally scale it back to 50% or so during the summer. Mine are running around 75% now as I do see my AC kick in occasionally.
Gaming/HTPC: Intel Q9550 @ 3.5ghz, 4GB DDR2, Radeon HD 4850
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Khyron.Destroyer
Cruncher Joined: Apr 26, 2009 Post Count: 10 Status: Offline |
We do get cheap power. Excel energy can cut our power at any time during peak times then we run on a big CAT powered generator. Don't forget the AC. The "550 Core 2" computers the OP mentioned would (assuming 65W dual core chips) generate roughly THREE MILLION BTU of heat PER DAY. I assure you that cooling that much heat is not "chump change" for any IT budget. Depends on their location. They may be in an area that needs the waste heat or does not need AC at all even with them running. If the additional heat causes a strain on AC, I would agree it may not be worth running them (as much as I would like to see them put to work). Cheers It's getting close to that time of year where I'll start scaling back. Dual Use (space heater + donated CPU cycles) in winter = bonus. The extra heat in the summer =   |
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mclaver
Veteran Cruncher Joined: Dec 19, 2005 Post Count: 566 Status: Offline Project Badges:
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I finally did it! Top 1000 in BOINC, Top 100 in WCG....Need to keep it there.
----------------------------------------Now I need a GOLD in CMD2, which will take a couple of days. - Mitch |
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