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mclaver
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Prefer the term seasoned computer users instead of old guys. Am probably close though since my 1st computer was a commadore vic 20. Been on em ever since.


My first computer, that I owned was a Commadore 64, but I was playing "Star Wars", accross the US, on the APRA Net in the early 70s.

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About a year ago I tried to get the company I work to partner up with WCG and get the 550 core 2 dual computers on the grid. The board decided it was not worth the time and money to get involved. And now with the economy the way it is there is no chance to they will reconsider their decision.
I just don't understand the thinking of some people especially management. I believe it all comes down to greed. frustrated It turns my stomach.

On a happier note, I celebrate my 26th wedding anniversary this Thursday. hypnotized Wow...it only seems like....30 years ago laughing


Congratullations on your 26th wedding anniversary. In todays day and age that is a significant accomplishments. Many people do not have the commitment to make it that long. I am looking forward to my 35th this summer.

And I have to continue to negotatie to support my "data center" :)

- Mitch

Congratulations to both of you. I am looking forward to my 33rd in the fall. And I do know there is great tolerance on my wife's part for putting up with the machines I have running.
Brink, if you gave it your best shot that is all anyone can ask. I don't think the powers that be realize that the cost to them would be next to nothing and they could feel they are contributing to something worthwhile. There is always the hope more enlightened minds get on the board.


A computer running at ~10% CPU utilization draws a LOT less power and generates a LOT less heat than one running at 100% CPU utilization. Power and heat = money. I don't blame management at all for deciding not to do that. Their job is to make money for the shareholders (or private investors) and pretty much NOTHING else matters. That's the way corporations SHOULD work.

So basically, you have to convince them that they can "advertise" the good work they're doing with their extra CPU cycles going to WCG and that this will entice more customers to their product... somehow... and that this will exceed the additional power and cooling costs associated with running WCG on a large scale.. Not an easy task, but that's how you have to approach it if you're serious.
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Congratualtions to you too on your upcomming 33. We must be a bunch of "old" guys...still playing with our computers!

- Mitch


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I think you will receive 80 work unit for all prosessors (physical and virtuals)....
My problem was more that there is not one sigle computer, more like grid of computers buildin some really weird......


You could run VMWare and "separate" out chunks of 4 CPUs per VM instance.
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I think you will receive 80 work unit for all prosessors (physical and virtuals)....
My problem was more that there is not one sigle computer, more like grid of computers buildin some really weird......


You could run VMWare and "separate" out chunks of 4 CPUs per VM instance.


About VMware...

I think Wmplayer supports only: numvcpus = "2"
I think it would take ESX server to run numvcpus = "4"


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I think Wmplayer supports only: numvcpus = "2"
I think it would take ESX server to run numvcpus = "4"


Yes, that is correct. How much extra RAM do you have to run all those extra instances of an OS? ;) I imagine you could make a pretty stripped down Linux install that would suffice for running WCG, no?
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I see I just got a beta unit for CMD2.
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I see I just got a beta unit for CMD2.


I also got one.

Result Name Device Name Status Sent Time Time Due /
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BETA_ CMD2_ 0001-2ORK_ C.clustersOccur-3C5J_ A.clustersOccur_ 5_ 0-- ASUS-i7-965 In Progress 5/11/09 14:25:51 5/25/09 14:25:51 0.00 0.0 / 0.0
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Ou yeah, well about champagne.....

I think most import item is to know, that you shud not wash those class with normal dishes liquid, because it will create smooth plate and then those bubbles cannot have interface to born...
It is quite magical.. When pour to class that has been washed with "old fashion" soap, those bubbles create like jelly fish inside class...

Jojjoo!

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About a year ago I tried to get the company I work to partner up with WCG and get the 550 core 2 dual computers on the grid. The board decided it was not worth the time and money to get involved. And now with the economy the way it is there is no chance to they will reconsider their decision.
I just don't understand the thinking of some people especially management. I believe it all comes down to greed. frustrated It turns my stomach.

On a happier note, I celebrate my 26th wedding anniversary this Thursday. hypnotized Wow...it only seems like....30 years ago laughing


Congratullations on your 26th wedding anniversary. In todays day and age that is a significant accomplishments. Many people do not have the commitment to make it that long. I am looking forward to my 35th this summer.

And I have to continue to negotatie to support my "data center" :)

- Mitch

Congratulations to both of you. I am looking forward to my 33rd in the fall. And I do know there is great tolerance on my wife's part for putting up with the machines I have running.
Brink, if you gave it your best shot that is all anyone can ask. I don't think the powers that be realize that the cost to them would be next to nothing and they could feel they are contributing to something worthwhile. There is always the hope more enlightened minds get on the board.


A computer running at ~10% CPU utilization draws a LOT less power and generates a LOT less heat than one running at 100% CPU utilization. Power and heat = money. I don't blame management at all for deciding not to do that. Their job is to make money for the shareholders (or private investors) and pretty much NOTHING else matters. That's the way corporations SHOULD work.

So basically, you have to convince them that they can "advertise" the good work they're doing with their extra CPU cycles going to WCG and that this will entice more customers to their product... somehow... and that this will exceed the additional power and cooling costs associated with running WCG on a large scale.. Not an easy task, but that's how you have to approach it if you're serious.


You do make a good point. I will concede that running at 100% utilization will take more juice and require more cooling. However, If you are a large enough user, you are buying your electricity in bigger, possibly wholesale chunks. If the marginal change in your electric use is small, say less than 5%, the additional cost will probably be even less than 5%, as the cost does not scale linearly with use (economies of scale). I would say an accountant could run the numbers and figure out what the additional cost might be at different usage levels or different time of day usage ( maybe only run during off hours). I also agree that controlling costs by a corporate entity is important to stay in business, but there is some value to public service work that may exceed its cost.

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