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Bearcat
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No doubt an amd system is cheaper to build. Matched to a similar spec intel, intel will crunch more. When you build 2 machines, you double your ram, psu etc costs. You go same ghz chips, dullies would be cheaper BUT you can't over clock unless you spend the bucks on an evga sr2 board. If the rig is strictly for crunching, by all means, cheaper the better. My rig is dual purpose. Video editing and crunching. Wattage of the chips plays a cost of total ownership too.
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Thanks Joe.
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No doubt an amd system is cheaper to build. Matched to a similar spec intel, intel will crunch more. When you build 2 machines, you double your ram, psu etc costs. You go same ghz chips, dullies would be cheaper BUT you can't over clock unless you spend the bucks on an evga sr2 board. If the rig is strictly for crunching, by all means, cheaper the better. My rig is dual purpose. Video editing and crunching. Wattage of the chips plays a cost of total ownership too.


In my research of a dual-socket build, I found that:
- There are no inexpensive dual-socket motherboards - the cheapest are like 4x the cost of a single socket board.
- Dual socket motherboards often require Registered or ECC RAM which is way more expensive (though not always, I admit)
- Dual socket motherboards are often E-ATX or other larger-than-ATX size, which means you now have to buy a bigger, more expensive, case.
- Dual socket motherboards require server-class (Xeon) CPUs rather than consumer-class (Core i7) which cost more for equal GHZ.
- Dual socket motherboards rarely allow any overclocking
- Server class CPUs have lots of cache - which doesn't help crunching all that much. I have a Celeron Dual Core that crunches as fast as cache-laden Core 2 Duos, clock-for-clock, but at about half price. And look at how cheap the Athlon X4 is now!

Yes, with dual socket, you only need one hard drive, not two, and half as many sticks of RAM, but that seemed to me to be outweighed by the above.
Yes, you'll need two cases and power supplies with two rigs, but you can buy smaller of both so the cost is about the same. My guess is the electricity used will be really close too, since nearly all the power is going to the CPUs, the other components use very little by comparison - of course you need to make sure you are buying smaller power supplies so they run in their efficiency "sweet spot" which is usually 50-70% load.

Of course, this ALL goes out the window if you build for more than just crunching... that said, for my needs, I like the redundancy afforded by having two strong single socket server/gaming/crunching machines rather than one dual socket machine for all the same tasks.
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How about a micro ATX dual processor board?
http://www.trentontechnology.com/single-board...dded-motherboards/jxm7031 .
May not be the most powerful but can definitely be a good cruncher in small places.
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Hello fellows from long time smile

I think it is going to be black winter here again, weather is more like spring kind of.... Crappy kind of.....

Well, this has not stop me buying tons of winter gears for outdoor activities (I'm optimist, there will so cold that I can do pole vaulting with mercury)...

This is some very nice from local manufacturer...
Boot itself is very warm, coretex and thick wool inside. What makes it funny is that they have integrate Powermax heating system as solid structure..

Manual says that those should provide:
19h / 98'F
9h / 113 'F
4h / 158 'F

From my experience, those really can....
Some very nice boots love struck


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Hello fellows from long time smile

I think it is going to be black winter here again, weather is more like spring kind of.... Crappy kind of.....

Well, this has not stop me buying tons of winter gears for outdoor activities (I'm optimist, there will so cold that I can do pole vaulting with mercury)...

This is some very nice from local manufacturer...
Boot itself is very warm, coretex and thick wool inside. What makes it funny is that they have integrate Powermax heating system as solid structure..

Manual says that those should provide:
19h / 98'F
9h / 113 'F
4h / 158 'F

From my experience, those really can....
Some very nice boots love struck



They look pretty warm. First time I ever saw boots with an auxiliary heater. I have used Sorels for a long time, but the good ones are hard to find and expensive. The LaCrosse Iceman series is very good, but usually over $120 new. I usually get about 5 years out of a pair of Sorels, as I usually have gotten them used from rummage or garage sales, sometimes for about $10. By the time I am finished with them they are completely shot. Always want to get my money's worth. My youngest son used a pair of size 13's for several years, but outgrew them. They were pretty shot anyway. I was lucky enough to find a used pair of size 15's for him which gave him the room he needed. I hope his feet quit growing pretty soon. smile

It has been a long time since you have stopped by. Hope the winter for you is cold, snowy and a real winter.

Cheers
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I am finished with them they are completely shot. Always want to get my money's worth.

Cheers


Hello Joe,
I know that feeling biggrin

Some more winter-gear stuff...

I think I wrote here couple of years ago about winter jacket from Miltec...
Fabric on it has start to wear out, so I did order new one.

Jacket is produced (not know for sure) on China, but it is actually very warm, very suitable here on (ex) arctic climate.

So I wrote to fellow who sold me last time, dude told me that he does not sold those anymore but promise order one for me.
I know that it cause some extra work for fellow, so did not want to take just one, more like carton...(believe I know, my mother owns few boutique.).
I got five jacket (taxes and postages included) on 314€ (430U$D).




Apropoo,

I notice that design of those has been done GA USA....
Yes I'm six foot six (3XL / 195cm)...

Some very nice hanger blushing
I think I can say this now when it is water under bridge, I work there nine year...
Second best place to work on this life I guess , happy to say that my current one might be even better... Time will show... Work is crappy but people are so very nice... and there fore it is so nice to get my ärse there every morning.


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Re: Minnesota Crunchers

How about a micro ATX dual processor board?
http://www.trentontechnology.com/single-board...dded-motherboards/jxm7031 .
May not be the most powerful but can definitely be a good cruncher in small places.


Can you find a price on that somewhere? It also only takes the special low-power Xeons (EC series) which probably cost quite a lot, for their performance.
I can't find either on Newegg...
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I think I can say this now when it is water under bridge, I work there nine year...
Second best place to work on this life I guess , happy to say that my current one might be even better...


Second best place to work in my life too... though I've only worked two places. My current job is so much better, I don't miss the Blue Zoo one bit...
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