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Re: At 43% for a few months now. Any updates?

Today we just passed 44,400 years of total processing of FAAH. Experiments 1a and 1b ended at 14,400 and Experiments 2 through 5 started. Since then 30,000 years of processing has occurred and we are very close to the end of experiment 5.
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I'm not sure how Larry got to that conclusion... Basically, are you saying anything newer than 50% for experiment 5 as indicated on the website?
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You'd have to go thru the whole thread to get the history and how he got there. On the original scope and extrapolating from a different representation of phase 2 on the project website, in Work Unit terms we're somewhere over 95% complete.

Later in phase 2, the project was split up in 5 experiments (2-6). For all we know, the scientist could have not updated the progress charts for experiment 5 and 6 and we're already halfway the final experiment ?!?

.... Anyway, the newsletter of March 07 advises that FA@H will continue thru Dec.2008 which is of course an estimate. That work is going to be running as lets call it provisionally Phase 3. When exactly phase 2 ends and phase 3 kicks in... don't know!
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That December 2008 was reassuring. I was scared of speculation like "It would not make good sense to finish up the current phase of FightAIDS@Home, thank everybody who joined the WCG in order to crunch FightAIDS@Home, and then - - months later, after they left, suddenly reactivate FightAIDS@Home using the new, improved version of AutoDock for a new phase. So I think that we are reducing the work done on FAAH and speeding up the other projects so that we will not finish the current phase of FightAIDS@Home until we have the new version of AutoDock boarded for the grid.

All this is just speculation on my part and is definitely not official."
So why aren't there much FAAH action lately? Is it user prefs or WCG prioritizing or FAAH winding down (for a little whle to launch new version).
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Re: At 43% for a few months now. Any updates?

lawrence' *speculation* is accurate. There is one person, who's in charge of the work planning (see the graphs a few posts up showing the history)! There's only a limited resource on programmers that can take a projects science and put it into the BOINC or UD agent frame. That amongst to a large extend co-dictates what is being planked and what not.

As for user preferences the rule:

First give work full time to those selecting project X as sole choice **
Second give work on a shared bases to those with a limited project selection
Third, put remainder in pool and share it out based on available volumes

CPU time and quantity are factors here that co decide where goes what.

The FAAH slowdown is largely driven by the need to accelerate HCMD as it will go on a 4+ month break in preparation of phase 2 (Sept.07 target).... it bought time for the next phase of FAAH to complete thorough testing before go-life.

** Make sure that users understand that work can dry up like happened on HDC regularly, thus the 'back up project option' is being selected.
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Re: At 43% for a few months now. Any updates?

So if one were to assume that a good number of crunchers were on BOINC, would that mean that FAAH is being held up and dependent on the HCMD United Devices cruncher?
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65-70% of the crunching is on UD Agent still, thus pushing HCMD on that agent will impact FAAH overall substantially.... but as said the timings are thought to be set so that when the next phase is ready for launch (with which the scientists and programmers have their hands full), they can focus on the final results of the last experiment. What's the point of rushing the data back to Olson when nobody can look at them whilst HCMD e.g. is pressing!

It's all theory and conjecture, but this is how i would manage the pool.

One BOINC machine of mine on a mixed profile of 3 out of 4 available projects, is only getting FAAH momentarily in the last 48 hours or so
(does 7-9 a day), which is more or less the old 'every 8 FAAH, 1 of the rest' mix.
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"It would not make good sense to finish up the current phase of FightAIDS@Home, thank everybody who joined the WCG in order to crunch FightAIDS@Home, and then - - months later, after they left, suddenly reactivate FightAIDS@Home using the new, improved version of AutoDock for a new phase."

I don't get it.. What's so "not good sense" about that? Human Proteome
Folding is at Phase 2, so I would guess that there was somewhat of a break in between.. Is he suggesting that crunching FAAH now is futile since the new software with have a new algorithm and thus different results or what is he trying to say?
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Re: At 43% for a few months now. Any updates?

So far, WCG tries to keep projects that are phased, to continue seamlessly or a little overlapping as in one winding down, the next firing up. Actually in the below example, HPF1 finished about mid June, but there was overlap where some WU's were send out to complete the batches for HPF1.
Human Proteome Folding Project
(Launched November 11, 2004, Completed July 18, 2006)

Human Proteome Folding - Phase 2 (Launched June 23, 2006)


Why the conclusion that phase 2 of FAAH is futile? As said, the scientists have hands full in prepping the next whilst the current is running towards completion.

Anyway, I let lawrence answer anything more on the matter.
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I don't get it.. What's so "not good sense" about that?

Read the threads started by people interested in only a single project. As soon as that project ends, they drop out. I do not know if there are many people like that (I suspect not) but it makes good sense to try to keep them by lengthening the current phase until the next phase is ready to run.
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