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Re: Losing the DC faith.

Having read this very interesting thread, I'd like to add my humble comments.

Personally, I've been crunching at WCG for 'a good few years' and contributed the 'odd year or two', so, my take on DC is that it's discovering the unglamorous building blocks/the foundations from which other/more glamorous scientific breakthroughs can then be made from - even if that means finding out 'where not to build'. I'm okay if (as is likely), WCG doesn't get the recognition as providing the 'silver bullet' to solve X, but there HAS been advances in science/health care etc., as can be seen by the survivability of cancer (to name but one example), has proven.

Yes, there have been times when I've questioned my continuing participation (when I was made redundant from IBM and was unemployed for a few years being one of the main times - there have been others), but I'm still here, with my 3 machines of various vintages, currently with 20 cores in total.

With respect to the AI question, I personally don't think that this would speed up this research - as a vast amount (if not all of AI), is based on 'past results/knowledge', and if we're 'breaking new ground', then AI won't have that knowledge to harvest/use.

There are some very good points in this thread - such as communication/e-mail's etc., and really, these should be taken up/run with - but, as with everything, it comes down to resources. If there's not enough resources to go around (and IBM decided that the resources it was putting into WCG was better 'spent' elsewhere - having worked inside 'Big Blue' for 13 years, I could elaborate on this 'quite considerably'), then decisions need to be taken. Whether we like those decisions or not, as to where to prioritise those limited resources, is 'up for debate'.

So, the crux of my point, is that I still think/believe it's worth contributing, even if 'we' (i.e., everyone involved in the wider DC world), doesn't get the glory for doing so.
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Re: Losing the DC faith.

Personally, I've been crunching at WCG for 'a good few years' and contributed the 'odd year or two', so, my take on DC is that it's discovering the unglamorous building blocks/the foundations from which other/more glamorous scientific breakthroughs can then be made from - even if that means finding out 'where not to build'. I'm okay if (as is likely), WCG doesn't get the recognition as providing the 'silver bullet' to solve X, but there HAS been advances in science/health care etc., as can be seen by the survivability of cancer (to name but one example), has proven.

Well said. This is basic research which lays the foundation for further applied research. Biology is way more elegantly complicated than many people realize. The more variables that are in the mix, the more possibilities exist on how they affect each of the other variables. Hopefully we lay some of the groundwork necessary for further breakthroughs.

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Re: Losing the DC faith.

Biology is way more elegantly complicated than many people realize.



THIS. Well said.
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Re: Losing the DC faith.

In checking this morning it appears the MCM feeder is taking a vacation. I have a few left, but it won't be long before all the sails are slack and the wind has completely died. Being as it is the weekend, I don't suppose there is anybody who could give the MCM feeders a kick.

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Re: Losing the DC faith.

Hello I must be forgetting but could you give a link to the page in which feeder status is shown? Since there is no traditional Server Status page
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Re: Losing the DC faith.

I've promoted both WCG and F@h (and R@h when their COVID project came out) to the medical community for many years, and I've only gotten <10 people to join the effort for WCG and F@h, and only 1-2 computed for more than a week but 100% lasted less than a year.

Many of these people are practicing health care professionals (physicans, pharmacists, veterinarians), and many have a solid bench research experience.

I've concluded some things:

  • They know something we don't know that in silico research has poor yield and just haven't expressed their opinions (I wish they would speak up and explain so I can learn!); and/or
  • Distributed computing is targeted towards more computer enthusiast personality types, which explains why ALL of the big tech forums (e.g. Linus Media Group, Overclockers, HardOCP, Anandtech, Tom's Hardware, Gamer's Nexus, et al) have huge teams of enthusiasts running DC projects on their enthusiast grade CPUs and GPUs and get involved with the friendly competitive aspect; and/or
  • The heatlh care community is below average in computer literacy (with respect to them! Just an observation); and/or
  • More people are buying laptop computers instead of desktop computers, and the heat generation and possible damage just isn't worth it. I've recommended that people be cognizant of their CPU/GPU temps and heat dissipation and scale and tweak their settings, but common people don't care to get involved in this.

Distributed Computing seems to be more readily embraced by the PC, PC gaming, and IT crowds over the clinical health care crowds or the general public. The only way to really get people excited for DC is for actual tangible results that lead to exciting cures for human diseases or cool scientific discoveries in physics/astronomy/etc. Otherwise people don't bite.

I love the concept, but I'm the exact personality type of computer enthusiast and science/engineering degree type who DC appeals to. But it's also frustrating that years go by without updates on promising leads for cancer, Alzheimer's, influenza drugs, etc. It's very low yield.

Electricity rates are skyrocketing in Europe and even in USA, and we're in a global inflationary trend that doesn't seem to stop. I don't see DC projects getting better without 1) more scientific breakthroughs and better communication and marketing; 2) better economies and people not struggling to buy food or pay for rent/mortgage.

I think you're 100% correct with #4, and I wouldn't run DC projects on a laptop either. It's too much fan noise and heat being generated with those platforms. I'll add that I'm shocked by the number of employees who don't own a computer at all these days. They run the minimal things they do on their tiny mobile screens. While saving a bit of money, it puts them them at a large disadvantage.

As far as costs, as I've noted earlier, if one simply runs DC as an add-on to their existing machines, the additional cost is basically zero.

I think you're also correct that DC participation is IT enthusiast driven, and I'd add those that have been affected by the medical issue. However, WCG has not been begging for more compute power. They have on multiple occasions, said they need help with funding the back-end systems and lab.
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Re: Losing the DC faith.

Hello I must be forgetting but could you give a link to the page in which feeder status is shown? Since there is no traditional Server Status page


I'd love to know about this as well. Any type of server status would be very much appreciated.
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Re: Losing the DC faith.

Hello I must be forgetting but could you give a link to the page in which feeder status is shown? Since there is no traditional Server Status page


I'd love to know about this as well. Any type of server status would be very much appreciated.
WCG does not have a server status page, and has never had one.
One of the crunchers on WCG (Unixchick) maintains a kind of unofficial status page. The latest version of this is here. Note that, due to limitations with the Forum software, Unixchick sometimes has to create a new thread with this information in it. So the version I have linked will not always be the latest thread. Note also that the figures given for work units in the last 24 hours are based on WUProp, so do not reflect actual totals, but give a general idea of activity.
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Re: Losing the DC faith.

I think that the massive cuts I'm seeing in any type of research is going to wipe out all funding for DC. There is a big trickle down effect where the larger groups get funding and small things like DC eventually get a very small piece of the pie, and under our new administration, that pie is gone.
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Re: Losing the DC faith.

In relation to the ongoing usefulness of DC, you might find today's update on the Rosetta@home website interesting - see here.
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