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KerSamson
Master Cruncher Switzerland Joined: Jan 29, 2007 Post Count: 1670 Status: Offline Project Badges: |
I can't tell you how ready I am for a WCG CV project. It is fine if you are ready for participating to CV project. However in order to participate such project shall exist. At first the question is for the scientists, what valuable projects could be drafted within a couple of days or weeks? Valuable science is not something you can make quick and dirty. You can waste resources based on quick and dirty actions, but you cannot make science quick and dirty. About 10 years ago, when it was necessary, WCG supported "over the night" influenza-related project, because it was a need AND science was available. Whatever Covid-19 criticality is, it is mainly a "temporary" disease. Today, contributing to the other WCG projects is as valuable as to participate to Covid-19 related projects. Based on past experience, we know all that such big moves of (new) supporters is in the most cases like a straw fire. Nevertheless scientific research needs at first middle to long term commitment. Enjoy crunching for science at WCG or somewhere else, Yves |
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KerSamson
Master Cruncher Switzerland Joined: Jan 29, 2007 Post Count: 1670 Status: Offline Project Badges: |
They sound like the FDA. Please take the time to read Katherine Eban's book "Bottle of lies" in full. Afterwards you will surely understand why "quick and dirty" is never a good idea, in particular if it looks faster (time to market) or cheaper. Happy reading, Yves |
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hchc
Veteran Cruncher USA Joined: Aug 15, 2006 Post Count: 746 Status: Offline Project Badges: |
I did Rosetta@home for a week and didn't get a single unit related to this virus to be honest. Getting better luck with F@h CPU units. What's funny is F@h is so swamped with new volunteers that it sometimes takes 3 or more hours before I can get any work unit from any of their CPU projects, so WCG kicks in automatically.
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Falconet
Master Cruncher Portugal Joined: Mar 9, 2009 Post Count: 3294 Status: Offline Project Badges: |
I did Rosetta@home for a week and didn't get a single unit related to this virus to be honest. Getting better luck with F@h CPU units. What's funny is F@h is so swamped with new volunteers that it sometimes takes 3 or more hours before I can get any work unit from any of their CPU projects, so WCG kicks in automatically. I got 4 Rosetta@Home tasks this morning and all of them were COVID-19 related. They probably changed the work unit names to better reflect what they actually are. AMD Ryzen 5 1600AF 6C/12T 3.2 GHz - 85W AMD Ryzen 5 2500U 4C/8T 2.0 GHz - 28W AMD Ryzen 7 7730U 8C/16T 3.0 GHz |
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Aurum
Master Cruncher The Great Basin Joined: Dec 24, 2017 Post Count: 2384 Status: Offline Project Badges: |
However in order to participate such project shall exist. It already exists. It just needs a research group to use it for SARS-CoV-2:https://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/about_us/viewNewsArticle.do?articleId=614 ...KRI please cancel all shadow-banning [Edit 1 times, last edit by Aurum420 at Mar 24, 2020 3:38:54 PM] |
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KerSamson
Master Cruncher Switzerland Joined: Jan 29, 2007 Post Count: 1670 Status: Offline Project Badges: |
Hi Aurum,
----------------------------------------you misunderstood me. If I write "such project shall exist" I mean:
At this time, no such project does exist for SARS-CoV-2, asking for WCG support. Cheers, Yves |
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voidcomp
Cruncher Joined: Sep 20, 2009 Post Count: 23 Status: Offline Project Badges: |
They sound like the FDA. Please take the time to read Katherine Eban's book "Bottle of lies" in full. Afterwards you will surely understand why "quick and dirty" is never a good idea, in particular if it looks faster (time to market) or cheaper. Happy reading, Yves I'll remember that not unlike the candle industry who thought electricity was going to market too quickly. |
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Jim Slade
Veteran Cruncher Joined: Apr 27, 2007 Post Count: 664 Status: Offline Project Badges: |
White House Partners With IBM To Create Supercomputer to Combat COVID-19
----------------------------------------IBM along with the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy and the Department of Energy, formed the COVID-19 High Performance Computing Consortium will also connect researchers with top computational scientists to ensure the machines are used as efficiently and effectively as possible. https://www.msn.com/en-us/finance/news/white-...mbat-covid-19/ar-BB11A8og [Edit 1 times, last edit by Jim Slade at Mar 24, 2020 8:34:48 PM] |
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KerSamson
Master Cruncher Switzerland Joined: Jan 29, 2007 Post Count: 1670 Status: Offline Project Badges: |
I'll remember that not unlike the candle industry who thought electricity was going to market too quickly. Unlike the candle industry, bad pharmaceutical products can injure and kill the patients. Past experiences showed us that shortcuts in this particular area can be devastating. Science takes time and this time is not comparable with the "media time" resp. "public time". FDA like many other regulatory agencies has to enforce some rules for securing public health: quick, cheap, and dirty work and products are never good for public health. The different examples presented and extensively discussed in Katherine Eban's book illustrate very good that taking public health related decisions based on politics (political correctness) and pure economical considerations injured and killed people. Especially today with covid-19 "desperateness" it is more than important to be able to take reasonable and valuable decisions avoiding "political show". We need to take the time to understand what does really happen and why, instead to take inadequate decision, even if such rapid decisions seem to be good at first. For example, it seems that taking Ibuprofen at the beginning of a covid-19 infection makes the evolution dramatically worst than taking nothing. At first, it seems to be helpful to fight against fever, at the end the result is dramatically bad. For healthcare related questions, it is always the same challenge: to be able to evaluate accurately and adequately risks and benefits. It is not an easy tasks, since it is all about people life and death. Cheers, Yves |
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KerSamson
Master Cruncher Switzerland Joined: Jan 29, 2007 Post Count: 1670 Status: Offline Project Badges: |
@Jim: since you are a long WCG contributor, you know like me that such announcement is mainly for show (image) and money.
----------------------------------------It gives an opportunity to the media to report something positive without knowing if it is finally helpful. A similar announcement in January 2020, after the publication of the virus RNA sequence would have been much more helpful, since we would have had more time to prepare better: in-silico, in-vitro, in-vivo. Be aware that outside of the show light, thousand of scientists work hard since over two months for understanding this particular disease and for finding a reliable cure. Yves |
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