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Crystal Pellet
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Re: It's as bad as the beta

Can you please see if you can get those command line arguments to actually function, and show in Task Manager?

This app_info doesn't end in computation error:

<app_info>
<app>
<name>hcc1</name>
<user_friendly_name>Help Conquer Cancer</user_friendly_name>
</app>
<file_info>
<name>wcg_hcc1_img_6.56_windows_intelx86__nvidia_hcc1</name>
<executable/>
</file_info>
<file_info>
<name>hcckernel.cl.6.56</name>
</file_info>
<app_version>
<app_name>hcc1</app_name>
<version_num>656</version_num>
<platform>windows_intelx86</platform>
<plan_class>nvidia_hcc1</plan_class>
<avg_ncpus>1.0</avg_ncpus>
<max_ncpus>1.0</max_ncpus>
<flops>15867524679.495871</flops>
<coproc>
<type>NVIDIA</type>
<count>0.500000</count>
<cmdline>--gpu-target-frequency 60 --gpu-polling-mode 16 --gpu-disable-checkpointing</cmdline>
</coproc>
<file_ref>
<file_name>wcg_hcc1_img_6.56_windows_intelx86__nvidia_hcc1</file_name>
<main_program/>
</file_ref>
<file_ref>
<file_name>hcckernel.cl.6.56</file_name>
<open_name>hcckernel.cl</open_name>
</file_ref>
</app_version>
</app_info>


Whether the cmdline options are working is hard to say for me, because I'm not really suffering from the screen lag. Only a bit when using VNC Viewer to control another PC.
You suffers more, it seems, so you are the right person to test the frequency and polling numbers.
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Re: It's as bad as the beta

That app_info has the <cmdline> in between the <coproc> and </coproc>, which is incorrect.

You can confirm that it is incorrect, by opening up Task Manager, going to the Processes tab, showing the column called "Command line", and inspecting the command line for the HCC process. It won't show your command line arguments, because they were not in the proper location within your app_info.xml file.

Then try moving the <cmdline> line to be AFTER the </coproc> tag, per documentation here http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Anonymous_platform , and see what happens. I'm betting your tasks will error out, since those appear to be INVALID command line arguments.

mmstick, can you please confirm, since you insist that I can control these parameters, and I insist that you cannot?
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Re: It's as bad as the beta

I was aware of the other position within the app_info, but because of the computation error, I tried it within the coproc-part. Not illogical because the params had to do with the co-processing GPU.
It was working, but I could not notice a difference.

I think that the conclusion is that those cmdline parameters are not supported by the WCG science application and are project/science specific.
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Re: It's as bad as the beta

The commandline options, --gpu-target-frequency, --gpu-polling-mode, and --gpu-disable-checkpointing, will have no effect on the Help Conquer Cancer GPU application. They are not general BOINC options but are a specific implementation in the application code of another BOINC project.

Thanks,
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Re: It's as bad as the beta

Thanks for the confirmation, armstrdj, that command line arguments in an anonymous platform app_info.xml file, cannot be used as a workaround for this problem.
In the meantime, I continue to use my workaround -- when I sit at my computer, I select all "Help Conquer Cancer 6.56 (nvidia_hcc1)" tasks, and click Suspend. Then, when I'm about to leave my computer, I select them again, and click Resume.

I hope a solution is being worked on. I'm available for any testing assistance.
- Jacob Klein
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Is it bad if we choose to put the things in that manner?



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Re: It's as bad as the beta

Is it bad if we choose to put the things in that manner?


If you're asking about including the <cmdline> line for this project...
- If you don't need to use an anonymous platform app_info.xml file to achieve your goals, then don't use the file.
- If you need to use app_info.xml, and you put the <cmdline> line after <coproc> but before </coproc>, it appears to be completely ignored, as its position is invalid, per documentation here: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Anonymous_platform
- If you need to use app_info.xml, and you put the <cmdline> line after the </coproc>, then its position in the file is now valid (so BOINC uses it), but the arguments are invalid (the application says "invalid command line arguments"), and your WCG HCC tasks will error out (ie: it is bad)
- Long story short: If you need to use app_info.xml, I recommend not including a <cmdline> line at all, for this project.

Good luck,
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Re: It's as bad as the beta

WCG Techs:
Has there been any progress in researching the display lag causes/solutions? Or is it something we should expect to constantly deal with?
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Re: It's as bad as the beta

GPU Help, 11th topic from the top: http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/help/viewTopic.do?shortName=GPU

What if my computer stutters while World Community Grid is utilizing my graphics card?
http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/help/viewTopic.do?shortName=GPU#617
Due to the nature of running research applications, it is possible that running World Community Grid on your graphics card while you are using your computer could interfere with the normal use of your computer. If you encounter this, then we suggest that you try the option to only allow World Community Grid to use your graphics card when you are not actively using your computer. This option is available on the Device Profile page under the custom options section. This option is labeled "Do work on my graphics card while computer is in use?". Select "no" and save.

The root cause has been explained by the techs, in this thread no less! http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewpostinthread?post=395454 The kernels are already shortest possible. Some will thus have to make a choice and use the available options to suspend HCC-GPU crunching when it interferes or suspend WCG when it does.
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Re: It's as bad as the beta

Can not be more plain than that. Good job!
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