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Re: It's as bad as the beta

Hi Jim,

I think you are off by a long shot. I actually have an HD6870 1GB GDDR5 and I experienced lag/frames while running v6.55 not while playing games, not while running YouTube or some BD movie, but while simple clicking around the forum (indeed, everyone knows how much stress that puts on the GPU raised eyebrow ).

That may be, but it has nothing to do with my comment. I was pointing out that even an experienced GPU project like Folding can slow your video card down to a crawl, depending on what resources it uses. Each GPU/CPU combination will be a little different. In my case, when I tried an Nvidia GT 440 on the HCC beta, I got far worse lag, and so I went with the HD 7770, which is much better. And by "lag", I am referring to normal desktop use also. (My comment about games verses YouTube was in another context.)

But if you can afford (in price, power, cooling, etc.) to use two cards, you can run HCC on one and the desktop on another. In a way, I do that now, by running POEM on my display card and HCC on the non-display card. You can place a "cc_config.xml" file in the BOINC data folder for that.
http://boincfaq.mundayweb.com/index.php?langu...9401f3b411e2fd047057571b9

EDIT: Curiously, on Folding, the GT 440 produced much less desktop lag than either a GTX 560 or GTX 560Ti. But it didn't produce many points either, so I banished it and gave up Folding on this PC, and I use the GTX 560s on dedicated PCs where I don't have to worry about the desktop.
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To much much lag on my nvidia also. So will only be running gpu tasks at night while pc is not in use. During the day cpu task's will be running.
Hopefully the tech's fix the prob soon or I will have to stop all gpu task from running from WCG.

Can not even check mail account while gpu task's are running. GPU computation at WCG Worthless as a background task program on Nvidia card.
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p.s there's nothing wrong with the hardware wink


Try leaving a full cpu unused by Boinc and see if that helps.

Not needed to do as boinc will pause a non GPU wu to crunch the GPU wu. But, to keep the computer from lagging, I always leave one core/thread free for the OS to work without interfering with wu's.
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To much much lag on my nvidia also. So will only be running gpu tasks at night while pc is not in use. During the day cpu task's will be running.
Hopefully the tech's fix the prob soon or I will have to stop all gpu task from running from WCG.

Can not even check mail account while gpu task's are running. GPU computation at WCG Worthless as a background task program on Nvidia card.


For some users this will be the case. We are drafting a clear statement as to why this is and will post it soon. For those users who experience this, we suggest that you set the option "Do work on my graphics card while computer is in use?". BOINC will automatically stop running the GPU task while you use your computer and start running a CPU task in its place. Then when you stop using your computer, the GPU task will resume.

I personally have this set on my home desktop and have a 1 minute delay before resuming the GPU task.

Because GPU processing can impact the users computer, running using your GPU is opt-in and running on your GPU while actively using your computer is also opt-in. This is very different than CPU processing. The benefits are clear however - the GPU contribution is already 1.5 times as large as the CPU contribution for Help Conquer Cancer and will massively accelerate the project.
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Re: It's as bad as the beta

Hi Sek

I have set it so that it doesn't run on the GPU while my PC is Idle (which is a huge loss of potential to this project, compared to other GPU Grid projects, as 50% of something is better than 100% of nothing at all)

and......

Watching Media Centre counts as your PC being Idle d oh

Jumps better than a box of frogs .... aaarrrggghhh


Please note GPUGrid has no impact on my PC at all and can happily consume 97% of my GPU 24/7

I am sure IBM's GPU solution must be capable of matching that level of performance so that end users are not aware that their PC's are running the WCG - barring the extra warmth eminating from the case.


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I might have to watch TV on the Raspberry PI wink
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I am sure IBM's GPU solution must be capable of matching that level of performance so that end users are not aware that their PC's are running the WCG - barring the extra warmth eminating from the case.

I think IBM convincingly disowned all responsibility for the science apps in some post a while ago, except for some general guidelines. They just package them up, send them out and then receive the results. The projects are much too different in content for IBM to get involved in that, and they aren't responsible for the science anyway.
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David - I haven't set up a Windows Media Centre, so forgive the ignorance here.

I assume that you can watch tv, watch a dvd and/or listen to music. I'm assuming that both dvd and music are done via windows media player? Could you set up the cc_config to use the tag: <exclusive_gpu_app>important.exe</exclusive_gpu_app> so that the gpu stops while you are watching the movie?
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Please note GPUGrid has no impact on my PC at all and can happily consume 97% of my GPU 24/7

I am sure IBM's GPU solution must be capable of matching that level of performance so that end users are not aware that their PC's are running the WCG - barring the extra warmth eminating from the case.


Impact on user experience is related to duration of one kernel. For apps/card combinations where the kernel duration is kept to a very short time (50-100ms) then the user experience (i.e. sluggishness) is ok. It might need to be even shorter for watching video. However, the HCC1 guys have reduced the amount of work for each kernel to as short of time as possible but in many cases it is still long enough to impact the time between when other apps can run on graphics card and thus impact the user experience.
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Impact on user experience is related to duration of one kernel..

And to further explain it a bit:
1) Graphics cards run data through kernels (tiny "programs" that does the same work on lots of data in parallel)
2) In a simplified way, the driver uploads data to the graphics card, asks it to run a kernel on the data and then gets feedback on what happened
3) It isn't currently possible for the GPU driver to pause and resume the work of a single kernel (for instance to suddenly paint stuff to the screen). This means that other programs that use the GPU need to do their work in between the HCC kernels. If the kernels are big and take a long time to process on the GPU that means the card is locked for longer periods of time and the user interface will appear more sluggish.

In the extreme case a kernel will lock up completely and never return. This will cause a driver crash, the screen will flash black for a short while and then a GPU failure report will be generated for the user when the driver recovers (this is the default behaviour at least - can be configured in regedit).
In the other end of the spectrum tiny kernels will require a lot of maintenance from the CPU because the driver will constantly need to instruct the GPU on what to do with what data etc. Sometimes this leads to less than 100% GPU utilization because the CPU or the PCI bus cannot keep up.
The perfect situation is one where the kernels are "just right", keeping the GPU busy, but are still short enough to allow the UI to refresh often enough. This perfect spot is different for each card series - and hence is pretty hard to hit.
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