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Sekerob
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Re: It's raining Dengue, Hallelujah!

17/08/2010 10:31:04 World Community Grid Message from server: No work is available for Discovering Dengue Drugs - Together - Phase 2 (Type A)

Still.

I am not "hoovering", I have no work queue sitting waiting, there are many BOINC projects that I run, if the powers that be elect not to make stuff available here, my cores crunch someone else's. As before, <fx>shrugs</fx>.

There are 2 DDDT2 feeders: *(Type A)* of which we all know that none are in the pipe and the regular DDDT2 without the (Type A) suffix. You don't have that message meaning there is work, it's just that because of the weighting while I mentioned before, all other projects get prevalence which is why I saw only 1 on 25 I had received in the last 24 hours being of the DDDT2 make (in fact the last was 24 hours ago).

If it does not bother, we move on smile . Yes there's probably about 500,000 more CPU years in the pipe for the various sciences we can crunch through at WCG in the coming years ... and we'll get through that collectively.

Crunching On.
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Re: It's raining Dengue, Hallelujah!

... maybe uplinger would want to double the science weight from 1 to 2 now that there is the rich stockings (no not talking about socks), so that those running on mix have a slightly higher chance with the least common denominating randomizer :P
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Re: It's raining Dengue, Hallelujah!

It seems somewhat strange to me that WCG does not send work at all, if it does in fact have it to send. I have Clean Energy and Dengue enabled. My systems are still crunching 24/7 just not for WCG. I passed 1,000,000 credit at SIMAP last week, a couple of other projects have also gone through the 1m mark this year, (Einstein and Climate Prediction). Rosetta is not far from that either with Docking and POEM building nicely.

I think a lot of the sub-projects within WCG are worthwhile, I just find it unfortunate that the project as a whole, by that I mean WCG, works the way it does.
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Re: It's raining Dengue, Hallelujah!

Sorry, but I think it is the way it is... not a democracy. Until the WU supply is secured for a longer period not seeing the weight/resource share is going to be lifted, nor the move from active intermittent to full active, then see the supply dry up within days and 1000 more breaking out in deep sobs. There is no guarantee and as it is, DDDT2 tasks get gobbled up so quick that the scientists are having all they can handle and that is to me very satisfactory.... they don't even have time to even work on FLU2 which demonstrates the difficulty of getting it perfect, and perfect is required from the results.

Fact: Just quickly flipped my selection to DDDT2 only and got 16, then flipped back to the mix of 4 sciences. They run incredibly quick on my Linux 64 bit client compared to my W7-32 bit duo... 3x faster almost... the stock is worth 0.4 days for 4 cores.
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Re: It's raining Dengue, Hallelujah!

@ adrianxw question for you :l Clean energy (CEP) is an ended project clean energy 2 (CEP-2) only works with Linux

dengue (DDDT) is an ended project... dengue 2 (DDDT-2) is the current project just making sure you are actually running projects that are actually online

if you have the first ones selected only then yes you wont relieve work for them.

i am curious as i am sure the tech's at WCG what the issues you have with how the project works. another option is to check the box if no work available for projects to run another type.
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Re: It's raining Dengue, Hallelujah!

I have a dual core set at 5 days each in the buffer. It is currently running in high priority because it has 31 days of WU in the buffer. All the WU are estimated at about 8 hours although a few are finishing in the 2-3 hour range so I have aborted some since I am afraid they will not all finish in time.
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I have a dual core set at 5 days each in the buffer. It is currently running in high priority because it has 31 days of WU in the buffer. All the WU are estimated at about 8 hours although a few are finishing in the 2-3 hour range so I have aborted some since I am afraid they will not all finish in time.


I have yet to get get such long running Type C WU's. My buffers are set to 8 days for dual-core workstations, but they run 24/7. Sometimes WU's in the queue go into 'High Priority' even though the deadline is days away. confused


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It's when the total queue is so that the client computes that the last ones don't make it. Then HP mode indicates Earliest Deadline First (EDF) order and does away with any niceties about cross-project switching... it will stop fetching work until relieved, which can take until the very last task if the average of the remainder is no shorter.

Here the 7.5 day queue emptied in 5 days (CEP2 is consistently overestimated). The average DDDT2 task per WCG stats today processed in 2.75 hours. The 7 day mean is 2.97 hours. BOINC works by the rule that if a job takes longer than originally estimated, all the remaining queued jobs will be expected to run longer too and that move to increase TTC projections is much faster than going down again when a jobs process faster than estimated. Thus, you can see a client move in and out of a HP state regularly when large caches are maintained. 8 days cache only needs a few jobs running 25% longer to set off all alarm bells. If you happen to have a 6 hour power out that also goes into the equation... so keep it sane or become or sufferer of BOINCitis... not easily curable.
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Re: It's raining Dengue, Hallelujah!

@ nasher

Yes, the new projects, rather, new phases of existing projects. I crunched the original phases to yellow when they were there. I am aware of the Linux only issue, there was a start date given for Windows, but that passed and is still not available. I have it enabled so when it comes, I would crunch it.

If the techs at WCG believe they are doing the right thing, then fine, and I sincerely wish them the best. WCG does not work like most other BOINC projects, and as I have been crunching them for 10+ years, (not all of them all the time obviously), I notice this.

There are numerous projects that consist of several sub-projects, they do not do what WCG has done here. I offered crunching resources, they have basically turned them down. I understand, to a certain extent, why they have done this, they want to be fair, yet they use techniques which encourage the "hooverers", (that is the term used in the thread, not mine), then employ "applied to all" measures which created the point I made earlier, they did not send jobs when requested - they would have a machine sit idle rather than crunch. Now, in my case, that is not the case, all my machines are connected to several projects, typically 4-5, this one is special as it is the machine I generally use, and is connected to 19.

I guess I have the feeling that here, "World Community Grid" is the important thing, and the science is a secondary affair. That, to me, is wrong.

I expect people to disagree with me, and why not? They have their opinions, I have mine - I was asked what my thoughts were.
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@adrianxw - i am glad you are crunching WU's for any project to be honest. anyone crunching jobs is fine by me no matter what they choose they are doing something with there computer

personaly i have concentrated on this project cause i like all the sub projects running here.


I guess I have the feeling that here, "World Community Grid" is the important thing, and the science is a secondary affair. That, to me, is wrong.

I expect people to disagree with me, and why not? They have their opinions, I have mine - I was asked what my thoughts were.


i dont understand what you mean by WCG is the important thing and science is a secondary..

science is the reason most of us crunch here... I will admit alot of us do like badge hunting and the like but there are also enough users who crunch ALL projects or crunch a specific project only and that is there choice.

WCG dose balance the science to make sure each project gets a fair share dont ask me how.

sure we have difference in opinion . Yes I asked what your thoughts were and they are important to me. cause again i think the projects here are important (i know a few people with AIDS) and I myself have had Cancer although we hope its gone now.

anytime a person says they have problems with WCG or Distributed computing or whatever i try to figure out why.. Main reason is so i can compare there questions/problems with my thoughts and you never know i might decide to swap to a different project (i have run alot in the past) heck i started with SETI before BOINC existed.

i am curently working for my DDDT-2 badge and i am glad i can get work units for it right now.. but besides that if you notice the badges you will see i work alot of difrent projects. And if one sparks my imagination i will work it for 1+cpu year maybe 2+ cpu years. If one dosnt spark my intrest i will crunch it a bit and go to bronze or silver badge (14-45 days with 1 cpu) and decide if i like the project or not later.

I like the badges myself it. and I like this project. and of corse i want to know why you have problems cause some times things are an easy fix and if i can convince you or anyone else to devote a little more time to DC or especially projects i am interested in it makes me happy.

thanks for crunching and i hope you continue no matter what project you choose
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