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Sekerob
Ace Cruncher Joined: Jul 24, 2005 Post Count: 20043 Status: Offline |
Yes, GIBA, "Too Late" is most probably terminus for these and circulation was ended due fault or the techs having concluded what the error was, for and as far, yesterday's post by knreed identifying the remaining bug being worked on. You'd have to look in the Result quorum detail to see if there are any with e.g. No Reply but doubt it. The version number will tell what they are... likely early beta, where production of C type has moved on to 6.17.
----------------------------------------Just as general information if case other readers don't know.
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GIBA
Ace Cruncher Joined: Apr 25, 2005 Post Count: 5374 Status: Offline |
Well, when I take a look at all result logs regarding those WU's, all shown the same message, like in the follow example:
----------------------------------------Result Log Result Name: BETA_ erlc_ a079_ se0000_ 3-- <core_client_version>6.2.28</core_client_version> <![CDATA[ <stderr_txt> INFO: No state to restore. Start from the beginning. called boinc_finish </stderr_txt> ]]> Additionally, when I take a look at all quorum details, all shown that the wingmen don't finished yours WU's, once problably the abort action was taken before they starting it, like in the follow example: Workunit Status Project Name: Beta - Discovering Dengue Drugs - Together - Phase 2 Created: 27/01/10 Name: BETA_erlc_a081_se0000 Minimum Quorum: 2 Replication: 3 Result Name App Version Number Status Sent Time Time Due / Return Time CPU Time (hours) Claimed/ Granted BOINC Credit BETA_ erlc_ a081_ se0000_ 3-- 614 Too Late 27/01/10 16:52:19 27/01/10 20:05:04 2.49 52.6 / 52.6 BETA_ erlc_ a081_ se0000_ 2-- 614 Error 27/01/10 16:36:23 27/01/10 16:37:44 0.00 0.0 / 0.0 BETA_ erlc_ a081_ se0000_ 0-- 614 Error 27/01/10 16:36:21 27/01/10 19:10:39 0.00 0.0 / 0.0 So, neither of mines are cases of "No reply..." . But I really remember that WCG abort those WU's due discovered in time, that have an error/bug. But some fast machines returned results without erros before this action, or just after it (if the WU's was started, I think). So, at that time, WCG adjust the results returned (probably a kind of manual action), in order to acomodate and try compensate the crunchers which WU's was processed. But, again it's my guess, isn't normal those WU's remain in the Too Late status for so long time. And, in Too Late status I guess that any WU will not be counted as result returned or whatever, if we consider the rules consistency of WCG, regarding Valid or Invalid results status, which are considered when count/grant something for crunchers. 
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Sekerob
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OK, that quorum + result log makes it clear for me what happened.
----------------------------------------If you look in the HPF2 chart you will see a strange spike in results... about 36 thousand that were stuck in error on the RS pages. The policy changed a wee while ago and results/time/credit is granted for taks that are faulty due science application error, if that can be determined. For that there is a check-script i.e. it runs automatically.
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The policy changed a wee while ago and results/time/credit is granted for taks that are faulty due science application error Excellent. This is a very fair attitude. Now I understand why sometimes I had errors with 0 points and others with points. It was a fact that puzzled me.  |
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GIBA
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OK, that quorum + result log makes it clear for me what happened. If you look in the HPF2 chart you will see a strange spike in results... about 36 thousand that were stuck in error on the RS pages. The policy changed a wee while ago and results/time/credit is granted for taks that are faulty due science application error, if that can be determined. For that there is a check-script i.e. it runs automatically. Sekerob, just saw your last post about HPF2 project issue and don't make sense for me the comparison, once appear don't be the same case of those Beta WU's from DDDT2 project. Maybe you have more clear and detailed information considering the overall projects aspects and characteristics, which allow you take this assumption and consideration. But, appear that we are talking about distinct subjects, except if the science applications used for this Beta tests of DDDT2 was exactly the same used in the HPF2 mentioned issue of your example. Additionally, the Beta's case here, happened many time before the HPF2 case, and the fix was applied by tech team to correct the new Beta release distribution made for DDDT2, after the abort action taken and only days after it was taken another action to grant points/time processed for WU's finished and it was manually and in case by case basis, until I remember and saw in some posts. So, it wasn't an automatical fix case. By the way, I guess that the issue happens due a kind of rules trap, which occur just due the kind of results status be Too Late, and not to be Valid or Invalid, like normally is considered to count/grant points/results/time processed).
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