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Re: Not sure how much longer they will be able to keep crunching in the UK

No I just observe it
Only if that were true. You look at the weather but interpret it to be climate using non-scientific reasoning, then publish your opinions as scientific proof.

and DA, give it up on the CO2 thing. You are just making yourself look foolish
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Ping Ping Ping, global Sea Ice for March, Extent and Area, latter the real stuff. Strange how global cooling translates... maybe a lag effect?



Of course, the JY 2010 special addition wearers are missing the divergence of extent to area... the component water covered within extent ever increasing. Bueller will know that 1-2 year ice breaks up easily when the wind blows... particularly when it's cake-thin.

And what would a post be without a...

PS: Reading that The Locust have hit Australia eating the crops... they hath never in a lifetime seen such red dust skies too. The revenge of Gaia is upon us.
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Since these guys haven't put out their March data yet, the February report has a highlight that might have been overlooked.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/?report=global

Well, the SST's are out by NCDC/NOAA [HADCRU always weeks behind], so for starters the Annual data and the Jan-Mar data separately. Then 1998 is still slightly warmer, but oh oh was it the sun or was it several busty El Nina's being floored by one persistent suiting El Niño that has them gob smacked?





PS, of course, I did a normalization of NOAA and HADCRU SSTs. They're so in bed with each other, it's like those conspirative twice, a hemisphere apart yet knowing exactly what the other hand is doing. Would Dr. Jones really be that naive to just copy Dr. Hansen or would he have professional pride and do his own analysis... I'm convinced it's latter [the difference only being that Arctic ocean not included in his interpolations].
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Amazing, the SOI index shows little backing off. The fishermen at the West of South America will have little to bring home from the dead ocean surface... that top 200 meter layer.



The dire/dark side of floating plastic from our disposable planet:

http://wildshores.blogspot.com/2009/10/killer-litter-what-happened-to-that.html

Every single item of fish, globe around with plastic particles in them, consequently everything that feeds on them.

yes we can, yes we do.

Bon Appetite.
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Amazing, the SOI index shows little backing off. The fishermen at the West of South America will have little to bring home from the dead ocean surface... that top 200 meter layer.



The dire/dark side of floating plastic from our disposable planet:

http://wildshores.blogspot.com/2009/10/killer-litter-what-happened-to-that.html

Every single item of fish, globe around with plastic particles in them, consequently everything that feeds on them.

yes we can, yes we do.

Bon Appetite.

That is truly a tragedyIf there were a monetary deposit on plastic bottles that would help--i collected bottles when a kid 2c apiece and made spending money---of course that was 60 years ago and something should be done
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Indeed very sad marysduby, needing some serious attitude adjuster measures, such as your much hated taxes... taxes ad valorem, contributions for waste generated does not work since people will just off load their junk in the neighbours container or ditch it in the nearest blind corner... yes our street containers are now locked, each neighbour having a key for plastic, for paper, for glass, for compostable waste, for general.

Meantime, CO2 is doing it's thing in multiple ways. Ocean acidification going at a rate not seen since the extinction of the dinosaurs:

http://www.desdemonadespair.net/2010/02/rate-...ification-fastest-in.html

Personally, I lost next to utter interest in what Ain't True-ists have to say on environment. Science can't be right anyway they want it not to be right [with zero support of course and a million nonsense questions and comments]. I/We just went for a full sweep of the Alps and it's looking devastating in places I've visited 20-30 years ago... Someone dropped a note about a drought in Alberta... that's Canadian territory... well he's not lying. The Rutgers snow off [red zones] confirms there's little to no melt water left to come in large regions.

Daily Departure - April 15, 2010 (Day 105)


PS: Someone here is well capable to explain the El Niño's count when it's warming but when there's several strong La Nina's it's not. Then it's the spotless sun doing the global cooling and that magic variable X-Unknown, yeah right. Now there's a flight block over much of north/western Europe due Islands volcanic ash [micro glass particles], so soon we know what the reduced contrails have in solar filtering, it substantially effecting travel world wide... similar as what was clearly recorded after 9/11. That volcano is also known from past to produce large amounts of SO2 output... how inconvenient, were it not that the latitude is very high i.e. the global insolation not likely to be affected dramatically... yes we know that variable too... the CO2 blanket is not going to get thinner because of this.
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For really good laugh

Have a read of the comments on this load of old tripe
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=ice-cap-thaw-iceland-volcanoes

Scientific American you do your credibility great harm in allowing this junk to be published

By the way I just got back from Italy, flying over mile after mile of blinding white cloud with scant evidence of Mankind from 30,000ft. Just before they closed the Airport 3 hours later

Finally a bit of good luck on my trip

Try this to find out what all that tephra form the Icelandic Volcano will do in our atmosphere

Go outside and block the Sunlight out with your Hand?

Is it warmer or colder in the shade?

Remove hand from blocking out Sun

Is it warmer?

What is between you and the Sun now?

Is it a transparent Gas?

How good is a transparent Gas at blocking out (or blocking in as is required for a Green House Effect) the heat from the Sun?

Good or Bad?

Better or Worse than a solid object, like tephra from a Volcano?

When was the last time we had a significant volcanic eruption?

I'll tell you this one it was Pinatubo in 1991

How long ago is that?

What would be the effect on our Climate through those intervening years if no significant amounts of Tephra were being carried in our Atmosphere?

What effect would the scrubbing of Power Station Chimney's and Catalytic Converters have on the amount of particulates in our atmosphere since 1993?

What would be the effect on our climate with the reduction of the numbers of these particulates?


Not everything about our Climate boils down to CO2

CO2 is a bit part player

If our atmosphere was an orchestra CO2 would be 3rd Clarinet easily drowned out by the piercing note of the single Oboe (Water Vapour)


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Was there enough oxygen in the cabin during your flight?
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"Eaarth": Earth is over
A climate pioneer declares the planet -- with its rising humidity and hot oceans -- dead

http://www.salon.com/news/env/environment/ind..._eaarth_interview_ext2010

What is "Eaarth"?

The meaning behind the title is that we really have created a new planet. Not entirely new. It looks more or less like the one we were born into; the same physical laws operate it. But it’s substantially different. There’s 5 percent more moisture in the atmosphere than there was 50 years ago, much less ice at the top of the Earth, et cetera. Calling it "Eaarth," an admittedly weird word, is a way of calling people’s attention to the fact that the changes that have already happened are large enough that if you were visiting our planet in a spaceship, this place would look really different from the outside than it did just decades ago.

In each of the last three years, Exxon Mobil made more than any company in the history of money. That may give them enough political power to keep the U.S. in denial for years to come.

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This lady is a few degrees smarter than the average understanding what already 390 parts per million VOLUME, <u>NOT MASS</u> does in our atmosphere and has in store for the coming decades:

http://www.desdemonadespair.net/2009/10/last-...-dioxide-levels-were.html

Last time carbon dioxide levels were this high: 15 million years ago
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Aradhna Tripati. (Credit: Image courtesy of UCLA)

You must go back 15 million years to find carbon dioxide levels as high as they are today, Earth scientists report. "The last time carbon dioxide levels were apparently as high as they are today and sustained at those levels, global temperatures were five to 10 degrees Fahrenheit higher than they are today," said Aradhna Tripati, UCLA assistant professor of Earth and Space Sciences and lead author.

"The last time carbon dioxide levels were apparently as high as they are today — and were sustained at those levels — global temperatures were 5 to 10 degrees Fahrenheit higher than they are today, the sea level was approximately 75 to 120 feet higher than today, there was no permanent sea ice cap in the Arctic and very little ice on Antarctica and Greenland," said the paper's lead author, Aradhna Tripati, a UCLA assistant professor in the department of Earth and space sciences and the department of atmospheric and oceanic sciences.

"Carbon dioxide is a potent greenhouse gas, and geological observations that we now have for the last 20 million years lend strong support to the idea that carbon dioxide is an important agent for driving climate change throughout Earth's history," she said. …

Last Time Carbon Dioxide Levels Were This High: 15 Million Years Ago, Scientists Report

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