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Re: Not sure how much longer they will be able to keep crunching in the UK

which is clearly incorrect data given the data source above

Naturally. All data showing something you do not like is incorrect.


the rest of the story

The late-season growth was driven mainly by cold weather and winds from the north over the Bering and Barents Seas. Meanwhile, temperatures over the central Arctic Ocean remained above normal and the winter ice cover remained young and thin compared to earlier years.

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Wow "which is clearly incorrect data given that source above" which doubtlessly is JAXA, the interpreter once more confusing the weather with climate again, they even report, this is ad nauseam, that their data is not error free.

The funniest bit this week is that Dr. Roy Spencer upped his temp data again... now just 0.005C off from Dr. Hansen's... I wonder how he does that.



How was that ENSO sequence again since purported global cooling started about 5 years ago... La Nina La Nina, a few chesty ones and then a neutral phase followed by an El Niño, and there we have it... record temps since 1998. No sun change to mention, 15.4 sunspots for March.

In the icecube-in-glass test some will have remembered that freezing releases heat to the atmosphere, and thawing absorbs same... which is why the globe is maybe warming relentlessly and the oceans surface is warmer than ever... I'll do my usual chart spiel later, just when DA is not looking out the window.

Fitting the bill of the amateur with clear D-K hall of fame candidacy not knowing the data or having skill to see difference between daily, monthly, annual, decadal data, let alone knowing when it's the sun or the moon or El Nina/El Niño or a volcano, this is a brilliant exposé on the dear Lord, viscount Christopher Monckton, who not only is a devout Ain't True sayer [paid for], no he, opposed to Dr. Phil Jones, actually falsifies outcome, provenly, time and again. [my personal opinion is that he just blathers along explaining the difference between 0 Celsius and 273.15 Kelvin [there isn't, for all intends and purposes :O]

Sunday, April 11, 2010
Monckton jumps the land shark. Gets eaten

In this case, the land shark has pretty teeth too, and his name is Barry Bickmore, a professor of geology at Brigham Young University. Utah is a REAL Republican state, and the BYU is an institution of the Church of Latter Day Saints (Mormons). Bickmore is a devout Mormon. As an important sign of the worm turning, the tale first appears under the byline of Judy Fahys, at the Salt Lake City Tribune, a majorUtah newspaper. Bickmore and is soon to appear at Real Climate

"The moral of the story is not that amateurs should stay out of the debate about climate change," writes Bickmore, who noted that he is a geologist rather than a climate scientist.

"Rather, the moral is that when you see a complete amateur raising objections about a highly technical subject, claiming that he or she has blown the lid off several decades of research in the discipline, you should be highly suspicious."

Bickmore has solved two mysteries. The first is where Monckton's claimed IPCC CO2 mixing ratio projections came from. What the IPCC did was feed the A2 emission scenario into a bunch of models and see what they predicted for CO2 mixing ratios. Since this was an emission scenario, and there were a bunch of scenarios of which A2 was among the most extreme, the range of predictions is mostly lower, however, we do appear to be following A2 fairly closely. Monckton also messed up the results of the modeling exercise because he does not understand the difference and relationship between an emissions scenario and a resutling model prediction of mixing ratios. Eli will let Prof. Brickmore explain honor among bloggers and all that.

Even better, as the Salt Lake Tribune explains, Monckton and Bob Ferguson, president of Moncktons fiction publisher, tried to threaten Brickmore.

Monckton did not respond to requests for comment. Nor did Bob Ferguson, president of the Science and Public Policy Institute, which sponsored Monckton's recent appearance at Utah Valley University.

But, in their emails to Bickmore over the past few weeks, Monckton and Ferguson accuse the scientist at LDS Church-owned BYU of personal attacks, and both threaten him.

Ferguson ends a Thursday e-mail by hinting there might be repercussions through their shared faith.

"I trust you are gentleman and Christian enough to not bear such false witness," Ferguson concludes. "If not, I will seek both professional and ecclesiastical redress for 'conduct unbecoming'."

In an exchange a week earlier, Monckton said that Bickmore's "unjustifiable and gratuitous remarks about my habitual mendacity are to be drawn to the attention of the President of the University... to be investigated as a disciplinary matter." Monckton also said he had spoken with "some of the University's leading supporters" about Bickmore's role in the university's decision not to host Monckton's climate-change speech.

"This, too, I understand, is to be referred to the University as a disciplinary matter, since the University prides itself on allowing academic freedom," Monckton wrote.

Bickmore said Friday he is not aware of any investigation or disciplinary action. And university spokesman Michael Smart said none was in the works.

"Barry Bickmore is not and has not been under academic investigation," Smart said. "There is no basis for any accusation that he is."

Emails, Barry got Emails, and Bickmore [corrected] bit back by writing the House of Lords to ask if Monckton was a member and got a succinct reply

"Christopher Monckton is not and has never been a Member of the House of Lords. There is no such thing as a 'non-voting' or 'honorary' member."

As Bickmore told the Salt Lake Tribune

The false claims undermine Monckton's credibility in a way that is easy for anyone to understand, said Bickmore. They open a window onto the skeptic's scientific claims, like his assertion that the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change is wrong about global warming.

Eli awaits details appearing at Real Climate, but the first bite was scrumptious

Posted by EliRabett at 5:23 PM



Vaguely I remember a comment here made in the vain of Monckton to watch with whom I'm siding. Well, not with those pulling the wool and think it will all magically go away... it doesn't

And for today's closer, loving this one just made
Man has such a small impact on Climate that for all intents and purposes it ought to be described as insignificant


I love own goals. If a UK judge rules that land use is enough to change the Kilimanjaro top snow cover [an important function to deflect sun rays at over 90%], one has to consider that it was only few people achieving this in Africa. Now there are 6.8 billion homo sapiens sapiens on the planet all wanting more and more and more. Wanna bet 10 quatloos it's more than just "insignificant"?

The EU just had an Ice tickness measurement capable satellite shot up successfully from Russia. Not looking forward to the truth being confirmed, that what most people already know. As much as the Arctic trend is down, the Antarctic also took a twist for the worse. Watch this space for combined Extent and Area charts... and a CO2 up-date... it's up as well.

PS: We were in Svizzera for the Easter week. There was snow shortage there too, unseasonal snow fall south of the Gotthard, but a week later on exit, it was all gone. GONE and seen it with me own eyes and digicamera, so I trust Rutgers... all that snow missing in critical places... the Canadians will love the bug swarms this season... the pine forests too.

Watch out, where you're treading... a special for that Date [hint hint]!

Daily Departure - April 11, 2010 (Day 101)

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Re: Not sure how much longer they will be able to keep crunching in the UK

which is clearly incorrect data given the data source above
It's clear enough for me to understand. There seems to be a downward trend showing a reduction in Sea Ice Extent. Maybe, DA, you should have another look at the chart. Remember, the scale is in metric.
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"The climate is controlled by Dave"

No I just observe it

It's you guys who claim to control the Climate and with all the things you could have chosen to use you back completely 388 parts per million of a gas responsible for practically all life on Earth

and then continue try to turn it into the bogey man


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More of the Climate Change Ain't True-ists, this time and exposé on Climate (F)raudit and Willis Eschenbach doctoring the actual data to make it appear as were the model predictions wrong. Read and shiver at the lengths they'll go:
Climate Fraudit

Category: Global Warming
Posted on: August 29, 2006 1:20 PM, by Tim Lambert

The graph below shows the predictions of James Hansen's 1988 climate model overlaid (in blue) with observed temperatures. Hansen's scenarios B and C have turned out to be very good predictions of what actually happened.

Of course, it is an article of faith amongst the global warming skeptics that the models are wrong, so what do they do?

Eschenbach's doctored figure



Well, there are only two things you can do to make Hansen look bad -- you can misrepresent the results of his model, or you can misrepresent the instrumental record.

The first approach is the one taken by Pat Michaels, who dishonestly erased scena...C from Hansen's graph . The second approach is the one taken by Willis Eschenbach over at Climate Audit . If you move your mouse over the figure above, you can see Eschenbach's version. By doctoring the instrumental measurements so that they were all lower, he makes it look like Hansen's model predicted more warming that what was actually observed.

The trick Eschenbach used was to use a single year for the baseline instead of the thirty year average that is normally used. Yes, it's another version of the disingenuous baseline game that produced all those bogus "global warming ended in 1998" claims. Given the year to year variability of climate, by choosing the right year to use as a baseline you can manufacture almost any result you want.


... yes "by choosing the right year" cherry pick methodology.

To see the chart in action, the one doctored by Willes' above and how it originally was, go over to http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2006/08/climate_fraudit.php . Yes it's nearly 4 years old, and nothing has changed since.

Dr. Phil Jones as Dr. James Hansen are not waiting on apologies.

PS: Dr. Hansen just released March GISTEMP. Now where is global cooling again... in the book of Alice? MLO continuing to record CO2 exponential growth... 390 ppmv !!!!!!!



Wonder if the spring summer average ice will hold this year, you know after not quite 37% an inter annual winter max [due divvying it up thin]... observing major fracturing right through the North Pole over at Atmos...



Ruthlessly, we shall apply proven science, to some The Inconvenient Truth as the winds have changed at the Arctic too, whilst the Antarctic took a plunge:



Should make for an interesting composite global extent/area chart.

More later.
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PS: found a comment on a skeptic site, a skeptic, not a ain't true-ist, observing that April is likely to bust all time month of year records... AMSU sats confirm that where it's tracking for...

http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutemps/execute.csh?amsutemps

all that snow melting is not by itself... maybe the bunsen burners in that smoke room lab were forgotten to be turned off... but that nearly spotless sun is surely not doing it.

PPS: Taken a joint option on some Belgian 2009 wine. It's said to become an absolute top year... very high sugars, not added manually. What does that tell us of last years North Sea latitude summer... you know the level where Odiham is located!

PPPS: Extrapolations indicate we need 5x planet earth resources by 2050 when we're expected to be 9 billion on 18 billion hind legs. Can you tell us plz, DA, where that should be coming from?
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NO No No, I can't possibly believe it was missed to get a mention here... part 2 of the CRU investigation is out, the Oxburgh Report, the part on the science application:

http://www.uea.ac.uk/mac/comm/media/press/CRU...+Science+Assessment+Panel
Conclusions
1. We saw no evidence of any deliberate scientific malpractice in any of the work
of the Climatic Research Unit and had it been there we believe that it is likely
that we would have detected it. Rather we found a small group of dedicated if
slightly disorganised researchers who were ill-prepared for being the focus of
public attention. As with many small research groups their internal procedures
were rather informal.
2. We cannot help remarking that it is very surprising that research in an area that
depends so heavily on statistical methods has not been carried out in close
collaboration with professional statisticians. Indeed there would be mutual
benefit if there were closer collaboration and interaction between CRU and a
much wider scientific group outside the relatively small international circle of
temperature specialists.
3. It was not the immediate concern of the Panel, but we observed that there were
important and unresolved questions that related to the availability of
environmental data sets. It was pointed out that since UK government adopted
a policy that resulted in charging for access to data sets collected by
government agencies, other countries have followed suit impeding the flow of
processed and raw data to and between researchers.
This is unfortunate and
seems inconsistent with policies of open access to data promoted elsewhere in
government.
4. A host of important unresolved questions also arises from the application of
Freedom of Information legislation in an academic context. We agree with the
CRU view that the authority for releasing unpublished raw data to third parties
should stay with those who collected it.
Submitted to the University 12 April 2010

Note the highlight!

Think we need an improved version of the JH 2010 super improved edition for those who would otherwise unwantingly see this and discover that all the hacking, distorting and xxxGating has led to nada... Our Conspiracy stands to get the Inconvenient Truth out to all.

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Since these guys haven't put out their March data yet, the February report has a highlight that might have been overlooked.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/?report=global

Global Highlights

* The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for February 2010 was 0.60°C (1.08°F) above the 20th century average of 12.1°C (53.9°F). This is the sixth warmest such value on record.
* The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for December 2009 - February 2010 was the fifth warmest on record for the season, 0.57°C (1.03°F) above the 20th century average of 12.1°C (53.8°F).
* For the year to date, the combined global land and ocean surface temperature of 12.7°C (54.9°F) was the fifth warmest January-February period on record. This value is 0.60°C (1.08°F) above the 20th century average.
* The worldwide ocean surface temperature for February 2010 was the second warmest on record for February, 0.54°C (0.97°F) above the 20th century average of 15.9°C (60.6°F).
* The seasonal (December 2009 - February 2010) worldwide ocean surface temperature was also the second warmest on record, 0.54°C (0.97°F) above the 20th century average of 15.8°C (60.5°F).
* In the Southern Hemisphere, both the February 2010 average temperature for land areas and the Hemisphere as a whole (land and ocean surface combined), represented the warmest February on record. The Southern Hemisphere ocean temperature tied with 1998 as the warmest February on record.
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It's Monday this must be Napoli

More flights than a Air Steward in the last 3 days!

Afghanistan, Dubai, Turkey, Belgium - washing ironing - Belgium, Germany and Italy....Friday Morning till Sunday Evening

You will not be doing that for awhile, to make up for it. Northern European airspace is mostly closed today, even though there may only be a trace of volcanic ash in the air.
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Need to find which the company is that DA is working for and talk to them about carbon offsets and their corporate environmental stewardship program.

Oh yes, that sea ice extent over at the polar region... so spread out... so little multi year ice left, and so badly broken up the slightest storm into the Atlantic will blow country size amounts of sea ice out... something that the 50 year+ record strong AO -3.41 of last winter prevented.


Here's the link to the very big image so it can be panned for detail... barely 10% left (that green zone of +2 year old ice).

http://nsidc.org/images/arcticseaicenews/20100406_Figure6.png

But all is well for those rigidly waring the JY 2010 special protective goggles.
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