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retsof
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----------------------------------------EXTREME HEAT / WILDFIRES / DROUGHT / CLIMATE CHANGE- Arctic lake sediment suggests summer temperatures have only been this warm once before in last 200,000 years. The Canadian Arctic is experiencing a heat wave that has SELDOM BEEN MATCHED IN THE PAST 200,000 YEARS, says a new scientific paper based on the study of sediment found at the bottom of a remote lake on Baffin Island. Scientists looking at the remains of microscopic plants and insects preserved in the lake's crusty bottom say a comparison of flora and fauna found in the remote past and in recent decades suggest temperatures similar to those occurring now have been EXCEEDINGLY RARE. Recently, there have been UNPRECEDENTED increases of some algae types dependent on warmer weather that were almost never found during the preindustrial era. "Our findings show that the last several decades have been the most ecologically unique in 200,000 years." The only time that summer temperatures were similar to current readings was just after the last ice age ended about 8,000 years ago, and during a warm period before the last glaciation. Last week, a team of British researchers said the Arctic Ocean is undergoing a swift melting that they predicted will leave it largely free of summertime ice in as little as 20 years. Earlier this year, a report suggested global warming in the decades ahead would allow tree growth as far north as Baffin Island.
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Question: Is it still that North Americans dump their food-waste into the kitchen sink processor and flush it out their sewers? Never understood that for a second. Substantially this method also uses allot more water and that's getting more scarce. Yes we do still do that, in fact millions of 'garbage disposals', as they are called, are sold every year. The problem is that many years ago they were sold as convience items, not more hauling the garbage to the trash or compsot bins, just let the machine grind it up for you and then flush it away. Now it has become an essential item to every well furnished kitchen. It is helpful for greasy items, they don't compost well due to their grease but it is still easier than carting that stuff to the trash can. Personally I have a small compost bin right next to the sink and use it for non greasy items, but that is just me. I do have a small garden and do have a set of 3 compost bins, so the stuff does go out. Not everyone, I am thinking of apartment dwellers here, have the options I do.   |
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mikey
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iCoal 2.0... New name, old product: http://www.climateshifts.org/?p=3319 Coal, responsible for black sooth, poisons, heavy metals, nuclear fallout, GHG's and an estimated few hundred thousands mortalities annually, silently, because it's so normal and most often, kills slowly. What about those hill and mountain tops that go missing... oh sorry Not In Your Back Yard. Just so you know coal companies now have to replace those "hill and mountain tops that go missing" when they are done digging out the coal. It has been the law in the US for over 20 years now, the land must be returned to the way it was before they started digging. Now peaks and stuff like that are returned, normally, to usable play grounds, gold courses and other things like that. Yes there is a law about there being 18 inches, at least, of top soil between any fill and the finished ground surface. And YES there are companies that still try and cheat and steal etc to do as little as they can get away with. Coal is also cheap and can be burned with much fewer emissions than they currently do. The problem lies in laws to make the coal companies do that and the costs involved. I have always thought that instead of smoke stacks they should be required to use a water filtration system with the runoff from it going to the water treatment plant. Again costs may be the limiting factor. But to continue as we have been is to continue to make things worse. We have to stop making things worse and start, at the very least, to be neutral! Not every industry can make things better than they currently are, but EVERY industry can be neutral!! Money is the answer and if they stop paying people millions to make decisions, they would have more money to make a sustainable product! CEO's make waaaaaaaaay too much money!! |
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retsof
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Laws? Federal weak ones do not accomplish the purpose. The mountaintops are still being shoved into the valleys ... some good reading here about dilution of the laws and things that should be done to accomplish the purpose:
----------------------------------------http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...7/02/AR2009070203022.html 1966, 46,000 West Virginia miners were collecting salaries and pensions and reinvesting in their communities. Mechanization has shrunk that number to fewer than 11,000. They extract more coal annually, but virtually all the profits leave the state for Wall Street. The coal industry provides only 2 percent of the jobs in Central Appalachia. Wal-Mart employs more people than the coal companies in West Virginia. Some states, like Ohio and Indiana, do a good job of strip mine restoration. Appalachia compares to a third world country, so coal companies ignore it.
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mikey
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Laws? Federal weak ones do not accomplish the purpose. The mountaintops are still being shoved into the valleys ... some good reading here about dilution of the laws and things that should be done to accomplish the purpose: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...7/02/AR2009070203022.html Laws are only as good as the enforcement they get. 1966, 46,000 West Virginia miners were collecting salaries and pensions and reinvesting in their communities. Mechanization has shrunk that number to fewer than 11,000. They extract more coal annually, but virtually all the profits leave the state for Wall Street. The coal industry provides only 2 percent of the jobs in Central Appalachia. Wal-Mart employs more people than the coal companies in West Virginia. Some states, like Ohio and Indiana, do a good job of strip mine restoration. Appalachia compares to a third world country, so coal companies ignore it. Very true, WVA is treated like the ugly step sister, but in it's defense it does little to do anything about it either. Laws are broken by the people in charge and no one seems to care or do anything about it! Too many times the status quo has been followed, which is not in keeping with the Laws of today. When someone does try to step in and say something the people in charge don't want change, there is a pervasive thinking that needs to change before anything good happens there!! Now is ALL of WVA like that, no there ARE some good things being done is SOME places, but BY FAR the bad outweighs the good!!!! |
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Who is the Governor of West Virginia?
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Sekerob
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hmmm, now there was this gentlemen, who is a weatherman who's got trouble differentiating meteorology from climatology and proclaimed mid September [based on JAXA data]: "see the sea ice is recovering, as of this writing it's more than 2005". Well the gentlemen spoke too fast so I've contributed a chart to the Graph Jam thread on a climate blog to show his erring:
---------------------------------------- At that time 2009 was over 500,000 km square more than 2008, nearly matching 2005, but here we are a month later and 'weather' under climate change influences turned to more than There's sea temps from 71% earth cover per HADSST2, base line 1961-1990 (30 years).  There's NOAA SST that uses a 1901-2000 mean as base line, but including the Arctic ocean too... Hadley has arguments including that region same as it does not do so for global temperature data.  Now, with the above 160 and 130 year respective history presented, here the last 30 years, a standard measure to be able to identify climate change within the highly fluctuating weather noise and you get the 2 combined in 1 chart with error bars identifying the area, 1 standard deviation and the outliers.  The question here is: Why if the sun is so cool (sunspot 1029 presently growing rapidly), is earth not doing so too, just holding and even the smallest El Nino skipping causing a straight to the top temperature anomaly? I know why, you know why. It's US and our disregard for the environment. That's why for instance there are thousands of schools in the USA that have undrinkable water coming from the taps. The poisons have penetrated deep in the water table with kind contributions by PG&E for instance so you can have competitive electricity pricing. Slurry and sludge pools NIYBY of course: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_coal_sludge_spill And this us just the tip of the coal berg.
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Sekerob
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So the original question of this thread was:
----------------------------------------Not sure how much longer they will be able to keep crunching in the UK remembring the suggestion of Hydroelectric power, which as it turns out per studies on sources of increased methane, a growing environmental disaster, so it is found of the Three Gorges Dam project. NATURE AND CLIMATE Press Review Source : Guardian.co.uk Why is there a drought in central England? Chunks of the country have been reduced to basins of cracked mud. But the expected rain might not solve the problemBillowing dust rose from the fields, cars were covered in a film of dry grit, and verges of grass were brittle and scorched yellow. This was not the Australian outback, however, but Suffolk, which has experienced an unusually dry September. And it is not just Suffolk. These drought-stricken scenes have been repeated across central England in recent weeks. Rain may be forecast for today, but last weekend dozens of football matches were postponed in Norwich and Great Yarmouth because grass pitches were so hard they were deemed dangerous. Wading ponds at Minsmere bird reserve on the Suffolk coast have been reduced to basins of cracked mud.In west Suffolk, the Met Office reveals, there was just 9.3mm of rain in September. This is 19% of the normal monthly average for the area (based on 30 Septembers from 1971-2000). To put that 9.3mm in perspective, London recorded 21.8mm of rain in one day (3 September), and was still drier than average over the month.While we may feel gloomy about the return of wet and grey weather this week, the balmy September that brought unseasonal treats such as fields of poppies in Dorset and clouds of butterflies in Sussex was a nightmare for many farmers and gardeners. The sunshine made for a great harvest and plenty of red tomatoes but newly sown crops are now dying or failing to germinate at all. The unusually dry September stretched across central England from Norfolk to Warwickshire, north Wiltshire and parts of Wales. Much of the west country and the north east also experienced less than half their expected September rainfall. Even Fermanagh, in Northern Ireland, received just 20.3mm of rain, 21% of normal (although parts of Scotland had twice the normal dousing for the month).Barry Gromett, a Met Office forecaster, says this north-south divide was caused by persistent high pressure driving the seasonal Atlantic de ... less than 20 day(s) - Wednesday October,07 2009 @ 01:41 PM More on Guardian.co.uk emphasis mine. Cobblers? No, it's happening right next to that back yard. Of course the Ain't true-ists can't see it. Anyway, renewable energy needs a very high redundancy number, which requires allot of money, such as for funding windmills in your backyard since... and that requires taxes... . If build on a class 1 site it means that 3 are needed for 1 windmill production capacity. Windpower: Over here we're just one click away to have it IMBY.  We in the small community are talking of doing a multi-set on a windy slope, a class 2 site. The law requires here for the e-companies to buy the power, so they've smartened up and now offer it with a fast track permission process. Just one click away.
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Sekerob
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Who needs Michael Mann's hockey stick as his paleo reconstructions were coined? The good old thermometer confirms how things are looking Up:
---------------------------------------- Funniest part about the MM stick is the fervent repeats in the Aint True-ist camps of him having the data upside down. Now what would that do to the Medieval Warming Period and the Little Ice Age that no one refutes to have happened? Suddenly they'd be Medieval Cooling Period and the Little Thaw Age. 
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Sekerob
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Well we've had the convenient postings of cooling moments it thus fanfared as legit, so here warming moments as well, all when the sun is still deeply into a minimal phase:
----------------------------------------January 3.0 -0.8 February 4.1 0.4 March 7.0 1.3 April 10.0 2.1 May 12.1 0.9 June 14.8 0.6 July 16.1 0.1 August 16.6 0.8 September 14.2 0.6 October 11.4 0.4 Adds up to 0.64C+ anomaly for 2009, to date and reading of 15C days up on the Albion. http://hadobs.metoffice.com/hadcet/cet_info_mean.html Combined with the 21st Century Central England drought period not a pretty cite. "Who said the English had no proper summer meeting and exceeding their expectations?" Yes, that's an inconvenient truth
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