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David Autumns
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Sek's rattled
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anhhai
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i haven't follow this thread, but there is something I always wondered. I understand that some people don't believe that we human are the cause of heating up the earth, but so what? No one can disagree that the earth is getting hotter.
----------------------------------------Does it really matter if it is because of man or because the earth goes though cycles every few thousands years? Let me phrase it anyway, if we find 100% proof that the 90% of the earth population is going to die 6 months from now because of some poison in the air, shouldn't we try to find a cure for this no matter what or at least reduce the impact and save as many people as possible? Or should we worry about if it was man-made or was it a natural event? While it would be nice to know who to blame, does it really matter? It is happening, shouldn't we work together to reduce the impact to society? Just thinking out of the box. edit grammer  [Edit 1 times, last edit by anhhai at Jun 29, 2011 5:35:15 PM] |
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Did I mention Arrhenius and Langley before? A few links:
http://toxipedia.org/display/toxipedia/Svante+Arrhenius Memorize this formula, noted as simple: ΔF = α ln(C/C0) And The [short] History on global Warming http://www.impactsofglobalwarming.net/the_history_of_global_warming.html Snip: Better spectrography in the 1950s showed that CO2 and water vapor absorption lines did not overlap completely. Climatologists also realized that little water vapor was present in the upper atmosphere. Both developments showed that the CO2 greenhouse effect would not be overwhelmed by water vapor. Home research task: Learning of the adiabatic lapse rate and atmospheric CO2 in the upper layers. Some material to get started: http://www.bookrags.com/Adiabatic_lapse_rate --//-- |
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David Autumns
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Hiya anhhai
----------------------------------------Glad to have you aboard The thing is we don't and cannot control the Planets climate. We have to admit as feeble Human's that some things we cannot control. We cannot control Volcanic eruptions, we cannot control earthquakes and their associated Tsunami and we certainly cannot control the activity of the Sun Here's my favourite demonstration of the significance of Mankind  It has been getting warmer as the Sun was increasingly active throughout the 20th century Now we are entering a different phase The reassuring thing is that our Climate is remarkably stable and has wonderful self regulating feedback loops that maintain that stable equilibrium despite our lack of control Under that equilibrium multicelluar life has been around for at least 1 Billion years with the same proteins that you and me are made up of and that is unlikely to change any time soon. The temperature range of those proteins is pretty narrow - have you seen what happens to the white of an egg in a frying pan?  and yet those proteins are still living and breathing today We are not doomed despite what others might enjoy telling us Climate Change is a political construct to induce fear - nothing more and nothing less Out of that fear comes control It needs to be fought with truth Truth will put the fear back in the box where it belongs You have a good day Dave [Edit 2 times, last edit by David Autumns at Jul 1, 2011 6:17:42 AM] |
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Did I mention Arrhenius and Langley before? A few links:
http://toxipedia.org/display/toxipedia/Svante+Arrhenius Memorize this formula, noted as simple: ΔF = α ln(C/C0) And The [short] History on global Warming http://www.impactsofglobalwarming.net/the_history_of_global_warming.html Snip: Better spectrography in the 1950s showed that CO2 and water vapor absorption lines did not overlap completely. Climatologists also realized that little water vapor was present in the upper atmosphere. Both developments showed that the CO2 greenhouse effect would not be overwhelmed by water vapor. Home research task: Learning the understanding of the adiabatic lapse rate and atmospheric CO2 in the upper layers. --//-- |
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David Autumns
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Average monthly temperature (taken hourly) from over 2680 NOAA Weather Stations from Afghanistan to Yemen and most places in between
----------------------------------------1.44C January 2011 2.90C February 2011 6.98C March 2011 12.26C April 2011 16.16C May 2011 20.43C June 2011  for a bigger picture see http://91.192.194.209/averagehourlytemp3.png 11,660,680 individual measurements in this graph so far The baselining continues  |
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Last week there was the "I hope he goes to jail", presuming guilt before innocence... well it seems the Dr. James Hansen 1.2m earnings" consisted of ... for the funpack who like to believe:
http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/06/28/2532...james-hansen/#more-253240 snip: A few examples: Horner accuses Hansen of receiving $1.2 million in outside income for work done as a federal employee. He does not note in the commentary (though it is stated in the lawsuit), that most of these monies were for international prize awards which, like a Nobel Prize, can be accepted by federal employees and do not count as ‘outside activity’ for which permission must be sought. The relevant federal ethics guidelines are quite explicit (see part d.1, and example 1). The four prizes in question (the Blue Planet Prize $550,000, the Heinz award $250,000, the Dan David award ($333,000?) and the Sophie Prize, $100,000) are all examples of an … award … made as part of an established program of recognition: (i) Under which awards have been made on a regular basis or which is funded, wholly or in part, to ensure its continuation on a regular basis; and (ii) Under which selection of award recipients is made pursuant to written standards. for which no prior permission is required. Thus the insinuation that Hansen might not have complied with ethics guidelines by not filing ‘Outside activity’ forms for these prizes (which are not required) is clearly misleading (forms would have been required for speaking engagements and the like which apparently total to only $48,000 over 4 years). --//-- |
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David Autumns
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Now we all know what alarmist propaganda points make.......
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David Autumns
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And the award for wildest extrapolation by a Climate Scientist goes to........
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