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Re: Not sure how much longer they will be able to keep crunching in the UK

No, you're right, 5% max says Wiki-peeja, over the Interconnexion France Angleterre, my error. I'm told by office chatterers that the UK has around 18% of total consumption from nuclear, my confusion.

The emotive side of nuclear power protesting ('some people might die in the future') seems to me to be a ludicrous paradox in a country with some 100,000 deaths a year (don't quote me) caused by alcohol.

Would not enlightened and intelligent members of an emotively concerned society protest against, and address the issue with the largest avoidable deaths first? A ladder licence in the USA for instance, could lower the terrible death rate occasioned by 1000 solar power installers falling off roofs every year, and the placing of alcohol into a restricted substances category, given the statistics, would seem to be wise moves. If those two issues alone were addressed, 110,000 more people per annum would be alive to join the anti-nuke power protests.

It seems to me, Dave, that your humanitarian work is cut out. You must strike at the salient points first, leaving nuclear power alone for a while until you've fixed the bigger issues first. Once the lethal ladders and the booze are out of the way, using just a smidge of our vital 18% nuclear capacity, you could then start to address the 1 billion 21st century global tobacco deaths the UK cancer research people tell us are due:

'Worldwide, tobacco consumption caused an estimated 100 million deaths in the last century and if current trends continue it will kill 1,000 million in the 21st century. '

One might also note, that 18% (don't quote me) of the cancer research work units returned from the UK on WCG might well be powered by atom plants. That, I think, is a splendid paradox: I wonder how many WCG crunchers smoke, climb ladders, fiddle with lethal solar panels, use nuclear power, and drink?

21st Century nuclear power-related deaths to date: 0 (this could change)

21st Century Solar Power-related deaths (USA): 11,000.

21st Century tobacco-related deaths: 1 billion. (estimated)

I quit smoking back in 1979 so i could drink more smile but then i tired of drinking and devoted my life to AGW (Anti Global Warming) If we were to prevent all accidental deaths it certainly would contribute to overpopulation--so the solar panel industry is doing us a favor--also we must take into consideration this--The Transportation Department estimated Friday that 32,788 people were killed on U.S. roads in 2010, a decrease of about 3 percent from 2009. It's the fewest number of deaths since 1949 - during the presidency of Harry Truman - when more than 30,000 people were killed. Since 2005, highway deaths have fallen about 25 percent.http://articles.philly.com/2011-04-02/news/29...raffic-deaths-auto-deaths
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Hardnews you can't deflect the issue by saying that Alcohol is the bigger killer

Unusually I have a glass of wine inside me which is a fitting end to my weekend and in these quantities is fine and as it's a nice red full of those lovely polyphenols.

Tomorrow I'll suffer Arthritis in my shoulders that's my negative side effect of Alcohol

The bottom line is any avoidable death is an avoidable death

We have the opportunity to stop those caused through the use of Nuclear Power today

Let's take it

Instead given the all too clear risks the UK Government has chosen to use Climate Change as the excuse to build more. Without resolving what to do with the deadly legacy that the previous incarnations of power station have generated

The only sober choice would be not to build any more
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And so we have now discovered yet a third category of documented and scientifically accepted harmful effects of radiation and that is mental retardation in children who were irradiated while still in the womb. . . . http://www.ratical.org/radiation/WorldUraniumHearing/GordonEdwards.html think this is most dangerous--especially on Indian Reservations--in the US
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Have you seen the Information Commissioners Office report on the FOI information requests made for the CRUTEM Dataset that was witheld by the University of East Anglia's Hadley Centre?


In 35 days (from the 23rd June) the raw data has to be made available as the ICO is not convinced by the excuses that it will have an adverse affect on "International Relations" - This is international weather station data......

Finally the data will have to stand the test of reproducibility and repeatability as it has been converted into HadCRUT3 seen below



..like real science smile

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Gerald in respect of your link above have you seen this news item?

http://mdn.mainichi.jp/mdnnews/news/20110627p2g00m0dm004000c.html

Radiation experts said Sunday they had found internal radiation exposure in all of the 15 people they surveyed in May in areas 30-40 kilometers from the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant.


That's 100% of all of those sampled 30 to 40 kms from the power plant

This is worse as the radioactive material has been taken up, by various routes, into the bodies of the individuals sad


Nanao Kamada, a radiation biologist who led the survey, said, "There is no cause for concern...


Of course not rolling eyes Heaven forbid someone might complain
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Colombo certainly knew that in the land of the blind, one-eye is king. Yes, they will have had more showing than ''normal'' background radiation'', normal being relevant depending on where one lives on the planet. Precautionary > 200000 kids in the region were fitted with a detector, one I wore for 30 years, renewed every month for evaluation. Those in Norway and those in Aberdeen get more than those living in Odiham. Neither are known to die of it.

Meantime, the ice keeps melting and the sum of all planetary weather is far from "normal". Strong evidence exists that Homo Sapiens Sapiens is making serious business off the Anthropocene, in earnest expediated from some 60+ years ago.

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PS, a rendering how the Ice anomaly looks at the Arctic, 3 dimensional:



A couple of French guys are going to cross the Arctic starting July 5 in a straightest possible line with instrumentation on board. The in-situ data is going to be used to further calibrate and validate CryoSat-2.



The denialist think that if latter [CryoSat-2] finds more ice in volume than PIOMAS or PIPS to name a few, it's another reprieve to remain in call for inaction... sit on hands. Well no, Langley measured what CO2 does in the atmosphere circa 1890, shooting at the moon with his instruments then Arrhenius did the math to go with it in 1896, work of biblical importance and so many today understanding. In 2010 we added a record number of giga-tonnage and it's compounding.

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Fixed the link--http://www.ratical.org/radiation/WorldUraniumHearing/GordonEdwards.html Radium
Well, how did the story of uranium progress? Because uranium was less radioactive than its daughter products, it was not valued commercially. But radium was. And radium began to be used principally for two purposes. One was to burn cancerous growths. I should tell you that both Henri Becquerel and Marie Curie suffered grievous burns which were very difficult to heal and which left permanent scars just as a result of handling radium. Other scientists got the idea that if they embedded a needle containing radium inside a cancerous tumor, it would burn the cancer -- and indeed it did. That was the beginning of cancer therapy using radiation, wherein the harmful effects of atomic radiation are directed against cancerous cells instead of healthy cells. Of course, atomic radiation does similar damage to healthy cells.

Now, the other main use for radium was as a luminous paint, because of the glow-in-the-dark phenomenon that Marie Curie had observed. Believe it or not, the price of uranium in the 1920s was $100,000 a gram -- and this is using dollars of the twenties! It was a very expensive commodity, but only very little was needed for any given purpose. Some of it was used to make luminous paint, with which they would paint dials so they could be read even in the dark.

Now the young women who painted these things began to get sick. This was first reported by an American dentist called Blum, who said that he had some very young women -- 19 years old, 18 years old, 20 years old -- coming into his dentistry office. Their teeth were falling out, their gums were badly infected and bleeding profusely, they were anemic, their bones were soft, and in some cases their jawbones had spontaneously fractured. Some of them died of severe anemia.

The only thing these women had in common was that they worked in a radium dial painting factory in New Jersey. Blum called this phenomenon "radium jaw". A few years later, the women who had recovered from these symptoms started developing problems in the rest of their skeleton. They suffered weakening of the bone, spontaneous fractures of the hip and of other bones, and growths -- tumors, some of which were cancerous -- in the bones themselves. Now, bone cancer is such an exceedingly rare disease, that there was little doubt that this cancer was caused by exposure to radium.

It was discovered that simply by wetting the tip of the brush in order to get a nice clean figure on the dials, these women were ingesting minute quantities of radium. And that was sufficient to cause all these symptoms. When autopsies were performed on the corpses of these women, doctors discovered that in their entire skeleton there were only a few micrograms of radium. This quantity was so small, that no conventional chemical analysis could detect it. Nevertheless, this tiny amount of radium had distributed itself so thoroughly through their skeleton, that you could take a picture of any one of their bones just by laying it on a photographic plate in a dark room, It is called an auto-radiograph -- that is, an x-ray picture with no x-ray machine.

So this was our first introduction to the harmful effects of even minute quantities of such substances. By the way, many of the women who survived this phase of the assault later on developed cancers of the head -- cancer of the sinuses, cancer of the soft palate, and other types of head cancers. We now know how these were caused. Remember, radium is radioactive -- even inside the body. As I told you earlier, when radium atoms disintegrate, they turn into radon gas. So radon gas was being produced inside the bodies of these women. In fact, one test for radium contamination is to check a person's exhaled breath and see if it has radon gas in it; if it does, that person must have radium in his or her body. In the case of the radium dial painters, the radon gas was being produced in the bones, dissolved in the blood, and pumped by the heart up to the head where it collected in the sinus and other cavities. And there it was irradiating the delicate living tissues and causing head cancers.
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jun/...te-of-desperation/?page=1


The good old UK will be huddled around a candle in 2020 still saddled with http://www.decc.gov.uk/en/content/cms/legislation/cc_act_08/cc_act_08.aspx

from the Department of Energy .... and Climate Change
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Classic

Winston Smith would have been kept busy with the arrival of the Internet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8re7arPrahU&NR=1

compare and contrast in no more than a thousand words with ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3Sv8GElol8&feature=related


...making a contribution to dealing with the problems of Climate Change as well



Yes it really is the same guy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Liked this so much that I thought I could not withhold from the man who exclaimed "your diatribe against me" and "abuse" and more:
Medical doctors: We are very concerned that your poor diet and lack of exercise, along with smoking is very likely going to result in long-term adverse health effects and perhaps even premature death.

Patient: What am I to do?

Doctors: Change the way you live. Eat better, exercise more, and stop smoking. Some damage has already been done but if you start changing your lifestyle now, you will likely live much longer than you would have otherwise.

Patient: How sure are you of this?

Doctors: Of course, no professional can be 100% certain of anything, and there are a few examples of people like you who have lived to 100, but history shows us that the vast majority of people in your category die young and pay a lot of medical expenses along the way. The overwhelming body of research also convinces us that you are slowly killing yourself and a change in lifestyle is your only practical solution if you wish to live longer.

Patient: I trust you because you are the experts.

Autumns: Don’t be so sure. I am tired of these alarming diagnoses time after time. Why don’t these doctors just stick to the research and stop telling these poor people that they are all going to die. Although I am no medical expert and have no training in the field, I have read hundreds of medical papers and I think you are doing better than you think and there is no way you will die early. I suggest just easing up a bit but not stopping cold turkey. I believe that the health food, exercise equipment, and chewing gum lobbies are putting pressure on these doctors to get you to start eating your veggies, buy expensive equipment, and packs of gum. Do not be tricked by these wolf criers.

Patient: Now I am confused. On the one hand, all of these experts are telling me one thing while this prolific blogger who writes well is telling me another story. I guess I should wait a little longer before I make my decision.

(Mission accomplished!)


An adaptation of a post on ""InItForTheGold", a blog run by Michael Tobis, an expert.

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PS, Latest Global Sea Ice still firmly shows 12 months rolling as second lowest only beat by the 2007 summer cycle [on the NH]. The question being, where is that heat coming from to continue the surface and volume reduction, almost entirely the globe around [probably due another concocted cycle, the ~60 years one being popular this season in the "Only convenient truth please" sphere.



If the last 5 years look wacky, all over the place, something hard to discern from the long ribbon chart on Cryosphere Today there's a reason: Asking an expert revealed that the annual sea ice cycle has a distinctly shifted. North and South have gone out of step, and not because of the supposed UHI affected thermometers in the USA.

PS, GeraldRube... Shortly NASA will launch the Curiosity rover to Mars. It got a nuclear reactor on board. If it fails it could land in anyone's back garden, unlikely to burn up in the atmosphere if not having gained enough altitude.
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