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David Autumns
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De-glitched
----------------------------------------  All my own work, created at my own cost, based upon freely available public data produced for non-commercial purposes in the interest of informing the general public about reality. Please feel free to re-use as you feel appropriate As you can see the Globe is warming "alarmingly" into Summer - being land based and the majority of land being situated in the northern hemisphere. The diurnal wiggle being due to the majority of the weather stations being based in North America (approx 60%) For a larger view unconstrained by forum rules on image size that are only strictly enforced in my case  see http://91.192.194.209/averagehourlytemp3.png  |
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Former Member
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Most everyone is familiar with the 3 monkies... not sure though in this configuration if these are, or are not a variation on that theme:
 http://www.friendsofginandtonic.org/files/922...2491a7b66b781f6a-314.html ... Well, going down the article, it seems it is. Also seems that Tommy Lee Jones was advocating not to cut the education spending of the State of Texas from 44th spot in the USoA even further down. Why educate at all, particularly in matters of science. 17 Nobel Laureates, those that did conducted ...d a petition to the world, to wake up, but given the science education budget direction, it will be more wasted words to deaf ears. "They" will continue to crunch in the UK, no doubt about it. Here too, more modestly. The bats here were out on May 19, a new standing record... something about global cooling made them do it 12 days earlier than last years record. Anyway, we've got a new date, October 5, 2011, and this time it's poof, flash combustion of Mother Earth... in 1 day it's done... no suffering or misery. --//-- PS, we have 2 new species of birds foraging in the garden and they're not from the north... one is thought to be indigenous to Turkey... has a lovely song, a nest full, and can hang perfect stationary in the air, picking cherries. We decided to let them have our priced cherry tree. They practically emptied it anyhow with their winged brethren who also figured out to nest earlier, even before we could put the blinkers in [different kind], to shun them off. Noted in calendar to mount them even earlier for next year. Maybe then we get another chance at doing a cherry pick. Hey, on the local produce marked we saw 2.90 per etto. Huh, 29 Euro per Kilo? Well, going by food prices, it seems to be getting scarcer too, like most all foods, though rumors have it it's artificial. Food-stocks around the world to the brim. Lets hope the Russian winter wheat harvest succeeds this year, though meteorologists are detecting similar ''blockage'' development in the weather systems as last year. Till now it seems N/W Europe has been going through a record breaking dry/warm spring, and lots more stronger winds... would these promote further drying out? Texas seems to suffer a drought too, and large parts of China as well. Any other places on the planet seeing this? Oops, there we have it again... we're living in the Anthropocene... a new man-made geological era, according to a bunch of very well educated people... out of my league. |
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My My, look at that [without the blinkers], quite a few months further into "Global Cooling", that started in 2003? 2005? 2007? or was it there's been no [significant] warming since the best cherry picked year of 1998?
The chart below, with a little longer record than JAXA so favved in certain circles to hide the decline, based on Atmos/Cryosphere Today data, also freely accessible to all on the planet, is a condense of that monster ribbon http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGE...ly.ice.area.withtrend.jpg superimposed on the separate Arctic and Antarctic Sea Ice. We see that this moment for the 12 month running average [light yellow line], only 2007 was lower than today. This is in the not so real world by some explained as still being a recovery, thoroughly ignoring the thickness and volume of course.  Don't know about you guys, but the greater than 2 standard deviation aka 2 Sigma [blue zone] negative episodes in the last decade seem to far outstrip the positive, netting to a continued deplorable trend... way ahead of that diurnal wiggle, no spatial corrections needed! We're living all told 7 billion souls, in the Anthropocene! --//-- PS, the above chart was made at 0.0 cost and a reduction of contributed CPU time towards WCG of approximately 15 seconds to compute several million iterative datapoints to get the picture. Will be updated come the time of the Arctic Minimum round about September, maybe sooner, but could also be later. The future cost of inaction to stem the tide will though be immeasurable. PPS, David Autumns, your temp chart is utterly bogus. You were told many months ago what you needed to apply to get a correct areal temperature representation. 60% of the thermometers u use on 2% of the global surface [the USA] utterly misrepresent what you pass off as a global temperature. You asked me about "a little bit more honesty". Ever look in the mirror and asked the same? |
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nanoprobe
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Arctic Sea Ice Imagery March 2007-2011
----------------------------------------A picture is worth a thousand words.(or charts) Looks to me like the picture on the right has equally if not slightly more ice and definitely denser ice. Also notice that the snow pack extends farther south on the 2011 image. 
In 1969 I took an oath to defend and protect the U S Constitution against all enemies, both foreign and Domestic. There was no expiration date.
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Former Member
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Why now, nanoprobe, the illusion of 1 day of 2 dates, 4 years apart and not an image of April 29 compared ? What does that tell you about the remaining snow cover or the sea ice... seeing more red at the ice rims or more snow, or let's look at May 22 of these 2 years? Does that appear to be ''picturing'' an improvement over the ''past'' record low year 2007? More/Less snow left? More/Less Sea Ice? Cherry picking is just such a fine art, don't you think ;?
----------------------------------------Arctic circle enclosed Winters barely vary "on the surface", but ''glossing'' over this nor ''eyeballing'' tells the real story... a picture tells a thousand words or 1001 from that other story. --//-- PS, Anthony Watts and his acolytes were found out in Fall et al 2011, after dragging his feet for years. Good or bad temp stations, makes barely a difference... the sum remains the same, several decimals behind the comma. The globe IS continuing to warm. Edit: oops, discussion link http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2011/05/anthony_watts_contradicted_by.php and excerpt: Temperature trend estimates vary according to site classification, with poor siting leading to an overestimate of minimum temperature trends and an underestimate of maximum temperature trends, resulting in particular in a substantial difference in estimates of the diurnal temperature range trends. The opposite-signed differences of maximum and minimum temperature trends are similar in magnitude, so that the overall mean temperature trends are nearly identical across site classifications. emphasis mine. The Inconvenient Truth presented once more! [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at May 25, 2011 12:57:06 AM] |
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addendum: The first comment there is brilliant:
May I be the first here to congratulate mr Watts et al on their contribution to confirming AGW is correct. Along with more than 2000 other research papers on the subject. How about that :O) |
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nanoprobe
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FWIW there was no effort to "cherry pic." I merely did a search and that was what came up. Now, looking at your 2 dates, April 29th doesn't look different enough to me than what you would expect as a normal variance from year to year. The second does show a bigger difference, which supports your view. On the other hand my pic leans toward my point of view. Soooo, from where I'm looking the jury is still out. Only time will tell. I still say follow the money. This carbon trade, cap and trade, whatever is a BS money grab, plain and simple. The EU will be the first to crumble if these idiots get their way IMHO. Carry on.
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nanoprobe,
Why did I and others stop posting regularly in this thread you might wonder? Well, eventually the decision each individual will have made is that it's utterly pointless to argue or debate with those who do not want to know about the real state of our planet, of which there's only 1 from which no one can escape. More on your ''picture tells a thousand words" here a report of an ice thickness survey done this year... and it's indeed what you don't wanna know: Research aircraft Polar 5 returned from spring measurements in the high Arctic. Short excerpt: One of the key aspects of the expedition were large-scale sea ice thickness measurements in the inner Arctic, in which researchers of the Alfred Wegener Institute and the University of Alberta cooperated closely. For this purpose they used a four metre long electromagnetic ice thickness sensor, called EM Bird. The Polar 5 towed the sensor on an 80 metre long rope at a height of 15 metres above the ice surface for the surveys. A preliminary evaluation of the measurement results shows that one-year-old sea ice in the Beaufort Sea (north of Canada/Alaska) is about 20-30 centimetres thinner this year than in the two previous years. In 2009 the ice thickness was 1.7 metres on average, in 2010 1.6 metres and in 2011 around 1.4 metres. "I expect that this thin one-year-old sea ice will not survive the melting period in summer," Dr. Stefan Hendricks assesses the situation. In several weeks his colleagues from the sea ice group at the Alfred Wegener Institute will present their model calculations for the sea ice minimum in 2011, which will also include the data now collected. Thinkening or Thinning? The boat captain reported that the Multi-Year ice was ''Rotten''. An icebreaker hitting a 14 meter thick chunk and it complete disintegrating. That's the state of the Arctic in a nutshell! --//-- PS, watch out David Autumns... there's another ''model'' coming from above. PIOMAS has one too you don't like. Many different lines of evidence show it to be quite accurate, with a high degree of confidence! Sea Ice volume continues to shrink! |
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FWIW there was no effort to "cherry pic." I merely did a search and that was what came up. Now, looking at your 2 dates, April 29th doesn't look different enough to me than what you would expect as a normal variance from year to year. The second does show a bigger difference, which supports your view. On the other hand my pic leans toward my point of view. Soooo, from where I'm looking the jury is still out. Only time will tell. I still say follow the money. This carbon trade, cap and trade, whatever is a BS money grab, plain and simple. The EU will be the first to crumble if these idiots get their way IMHO. Carry on. Regrettably, you then stumbled on referencing 2007, as noted the record low year, till now! Had you taken the time series, such as one I presented starting 1979 it's glaringly evident what the direction continues to be. The jury, the actual experts, have long spoken their verdict. Was predicted to happen by the likes as Svante Arrhenius. He did some calculations in around 1896 of what adding CO2 alone to the atmosphere could do. Even if just ''trace'' as a % of the air we breath. In the 50's of the last century, science had progressed that far that his calculations could be irrefutably confirmed. Will I carry on, in this thread? Rarely. It's a significant waste of time! |
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