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Re: Not sure how much longer they will be able to keep crunching in the UK

Watch the below chart... About to hit 10,000 cubic kilometers Arctic Sea Ice shortfall. The planet is cooling!



and whilst the globe is cooling, the March-May meteorological Spring snow data came in:



Some say it Ain't True... all that pile up of snow in last winter [from vapor, that needed heat to become vapor, so it could turn into precipitation], yet disappearing at record breaking speed, in a lifetime, longer than those started about 1966.

Have a nice and sunny Sunday afternoon [June 6, and the nearest beaches here were un-seasonally loaded here this morning... no tar balls from BP oil floating in yet.]
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Your Arctic Sea Ice graph should be a curve from 4 to -9; it is not a straight line, there is inverse volumetric acceleration.

Heat causes mass expansion, so being in the UK I am worried about mass expansion of Iceland; should Katla become active another ice sheet will melt causing Iceland to rise and eventually a 1000Km range of Volcanoes to erupt (the thread of fire). This will warm the globe further, but put the UK into an ice age, yet again!
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The Solar Dynamics Observatory data browser has been launched in Beta Format (Only for Firefox at the mo)

http://ht.ly/1VRJi will take you straight there

It gives the best views yet of what ultimately drives the Earth's Climate....The Sun

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Fictitious short conversation:

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DA Says: ... the best views yet of what ultimately drives the Earth's Climate....The Sun

Sekerob Says: Gosh, really, without the sun there would not be our solar system

DA Says: See, you've admitted it, it's the sun.

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Sadly, DA, you still dare not acknowledge to yourself that the effective variance of the sun is way to insignificant to explain why the temperatures are up. The axial position of our planet should have given 2000 years of very slow cooling, instead we have:



and have:



Mauna Loa data is out for May: 2010 Mean is 391 PPMV. Maybe you should consider that this gives a different reaction to your Sun than the ~280 PPMV it was for many centuries, millennia. Long Wave back radiation causing CO2 to vibrate, starting at 15 um.
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Arctic permafrost leaking methane at record levels, figures show:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jan/14/arctic-permafrost-methane
The discovery follows a string of reports from the region in recent years that previously frozen boggy soils are melting and releasing methane in greater quantities. Such Arctic soils currently lock away billions of tonnes of methane, a far more potent greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide, leading some scientists to describe melting permafrost as a ticking time bomb that could overwhelm efforts to tackle climate change.

They fear the warming caused by increased methane emissions will itself release yet more methane and lock the region into a destructive cycle that forces temperatures to rise faster than predicted.

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Refugees Join List of Climate-Change Issues :
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/29/world/29refugees.html?_r=1


Huene, an island in the Carteret Atoll, which is part of Papua New Guinea, has been bisected by the sea.
There could be 200 million of these climate refugees by 2050, according to a new policy paper by the International Organization for Migration, depending on the degree of climate disturbances. Aside from the South Pacific, low-lying areas likely to be battered first include Bangladesh and nations in the Indian Ocean, where the leader of the Maldives has begun seeking a safe haven for his 300,000 people. Landlocked areas may also be affected; some experts call the Darfur region of Sudan, where nomads battle villagers in a war over shrinking natural resources, the first significant conflict linked to climate change.

“For the first time in history, you could actually lose countries off the face of the globe,” said Stuart Beck, the permanent representative for Palau at the United Nations.

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I've just looked it up. Odiham RAF airport is 123 meters above [current] mean sea level.

http://weather.gladstonefamily.net/site/EGVO

The weather-station there of course suffers from tarmac UHI influences. The climatologists for instance at CRU and GISS know that so they compensate for that in trial tested manner.
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Call off the evacuation: Pacific Islands are expanding

Contrary to the warnings of global warming alarmists, most islands in the Pacific are stable or expanding, according to a study published last month in Global and Planetary Change. While 14% of the islands studied showed a decline in area, 43% were stable and 43% expanded in size. None of the changes in area were dramatic.

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Huene, an island in the Carteret Atoll, which is part of Papua New Guinea, has been bisected by the sea.
There could be 200 million of these climate refugees by 2050, according to a new policy paper by the International Organization for Migration, depending on the degree of climate disturbances. Aside from the South Pacific, low-lying areas likely to be battered first include Bangladesh and nations in the Indian Ocean, where the leader of the Maldives has begun seeking a safe haven for his 300,000 people. Landlocked areas may also be affected; some experts call the Darfur region of Sudan, where nomads battle villagers in a war over shrinking natural resources, the first significant conflict linked to climate change.

“For the first time in history, you could actually lose countries off the face of the globe,” said Stuart Beck, the permanent representative for Palau at the United Nations.

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A cross examination of global warming science conducted by the University of Pennsylvania's Institute for Law and Economics has concluded that virtually every claim advanced by global warming proponents fails to stand up to scrutiny.

See Global Warming Advocacy Science: A Cross Examination

Quotes from this cross examination:

"Far from turning up empty, my cross examination has (initially, to my surprise) revealed that on virtually every major issue in climate change science, the IPCC AR's and other summarizing work by leading climate establishment scientists have adopted various rhetorical strategies that seem to systematically conceal or minimize what appear to be fundamental scientific uncertainties or even disagreements."

"We should not be using public money to pay for faster and faster computers so that increasingly fine-grained climate models can be subjected to ever larger numbers of simulations until we have got the data to test whether the predictions of existing models are confirmed (or not disconfirmed) by the evidence."

"As things now stand, the advocates representing the establishment
climate science story broadcast (usually with color diagrams) the predictions of climate models as if they were the results of experiments -- actual evidence. Alongside these multi-colored multi-century model-simulated time series come stories, anecdotes, and photos -- such as the iconic stranded polar bear -- dramatically illustrating climate change today. On this rhetorical strategy, the models are to be taken on faith, and the stories and photos as evidence of the models' truth. Policy carrying potential costs in the trillions of dollars ought not to be based on stories and photos confirming faith in models, but rather on precise and replicable testing of the models' predictions against solid observational data."
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Public's Priorities for 2010

(from the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press -- January 25, 2010)


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