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Former Member
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You are quite right, World Community Grid have very high standards for accepting projects.
Firstly, they have to meet 4 basic requirements: 1. The project must be of benefit to humanity. 2. The research group must be a non-profit organisation. 3. The project must be technically suitable for running on the grid. 4. The results must be released in the public domain. The researchers submit a proposal: http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/bg/rfp.pdf The World Community Grid staff will check all these requirements at a very early stage in the process. Then the staff help the researchers refine their proposal and fill in various technical details. Next, the proposal is evaluated by at least two qualified reviewers. Generally, this means other scientists working in the field - people who really understand the scientific merit of the proposal. When they are satisfied, the proposal is put to the Advisory Board. Any of the Advisory Board members can raise objections, but generally the work that has already gone into ensuring the proposal is sound means that the Advisory Board's role is purely formal. Projects are reviewed on a quarterly schedule. After that, there is a load of legal stuff, and all the technical work and planning that must be done pre-launch. This process usually takes about 6 months. World Community Grid staff meet regularly with the researchers, before, during and after the grid phase of the project. The details of the selection criteria are gone into in much more depth in the RFP document (link above) |
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Omega-3
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This is very interesting background information. I often wondered how the process works but never realized that more info can be found in that RFP document. I suspect that most people here are not aware of this because they assume it applies to researchers only and would not be of any interest to volunteers.
It would not surprise me if the RFP process resullts in more rejections that acceptances! Remember, the total number of projects that have been approved for WCG over the years have been very small. |
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Sekerob
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Some of the project proposers have a serious problem with the concept of receiving all that crunching power for free, but in return have to provide the final data product to the greater research community... put it in public domain.
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Most projects that aren't going to pass don't make it to the Advisory Board. In fact, my understanding is that the biggest roadblock for potential projects is the requirement that results be placed in the public domain.
For the rest, the challenge is simply finding projects that are technically suitable to run on the grid. |
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4) helping us not destroy our planet, or at least figure out how fast we are destroyig it. ( CEP CPDN are about the only ones in this category ) Has anyone looked at Virtual Prairie? They don't appear to have any WUs at the moment, but looks like it fits this category quite well. Yeah, that one looks moderately interesting. Again, no Mac support... *sigh* |
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Ah, seti@home! Seti is interesting. My feelings regarding it are quite mixed. ... snip ... Yeah, I agree completely. I have mixed feelings about SETI too. Yeah, maybe I should have added a separate category for that. 5) projects of philosophical/historical importance. I used to do SETI long long ago. It was my first participation in any kind of distributed computing. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it may have been the only distributed computing project back then. I would put SETI somewhere between the useless chess board puzzles and the projects that benefit humanity in some way. Either way, as long as they consume their fair share of flops, I'd rather support something with the potential of more direct benefit to earthlings. [Edit 1 times, last edit by Former Member at Mar 9, 2009 6:21:30 PM] |
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Sekerob
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If they're there and smart, they'll be making sure not to tell us. In probabilistic terms they're either far far ahead or far far behind.
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You are quite right, World Community Grid have very high standards for accepting projects. Firstly, they have to meet 4 basic requirements: 1. The project must be of benefit to humanity. 2. The research group must be a non-profit organisation. 3. The project must be technically suitable for running on the grid. 4. The results must be released in the public domain. ... That ROCKS! And I think the result of these principles is evident in the fact (as far as I can see) that all but about 2 of the worthy projects that exist are on WCG. Think about it, what else is really worthy? CPDN SETI (maybe) That virtual prairie one looks ok... maybe the fusion one on ibcercivis... Arguably, some of the general research ones that just provide resources to a particular university to do classical dynamics or something, but... (I haven't done a comprehensive survey or anything, so let me know if I'm missing any.) Right here on WCG there are a bunch of great projects and you don't have to waste time evaluating them all independently. I would say though, that I would personally be willing to support a for-profit project if it was exceptionally promising for the benefit of humanity. |
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Sekerob
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"all but about 2 of the worthy projects that exist are on WCG"
----------------------------------------That's a very high horse you ride. Many will differ with you vehemently. There are quite a few worthy projects, though the ethos of "public domain" as carried here I've not seen anywhere else given such importance. To me, and I will not name them, some are pet projects. The list that sits in the BOINC Manager project selector have received scrutiny, enough to make them considered.
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softstag
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You are quite right, World Community Grid have very high standards for accepting projects. Firstly, they have to meet 4 basic requirements: 1. The project must be of benefit to humanity. 2. The research group must be a non-profit organisation. 3. The project must be technically suitable for running on the grid. 4. The results must be released in the public domain. ... That ROCKS! And I think the result of these principles is evident in the fact (as far as I can see) that all but about 2 of the worthy projects that exist are on WCG. Think about it, what else is really worthy? CPDN SETI (maybe) That virtual prairie one looks ok... maybe the fusion one on ibcercivis... Arguably, some of the general research ones that just provide resources to a particular university to do classical dynamics or something, but... (I haven't done a comprehensive survey or anything, so let me know if I'm missing any.) Right here on WCG there are a bunch of great projects and you don't have to waste time evaluating them all independently. I would say though, that I would personally be willing to support a for-profit project if it was exceptionally promising for the benefit of humanity. Something to consider... Some of these mathematical ones are maybe not as stupid as they may seem. OK finding prime numbers is pretty useless, but the ones that are trying to solve complex mathematical problems may actually indirectly benefit "good" projects. After all, mathematics is the language of computers, and if complex problems can more quickly be solved using new mathematical techniques, it could lead to improved algorithms for distributed computing and help WCG and CPDN researchers get results more quickly. Just a thought.... ![]() |
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