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Re: Work Unit Pause: A and B type update

sbergman27, those points are well made, and I'm not disagreeing with them.

I was merely explaining what is a reasonable expectation in terms of official communications about status. Remember that any time spent by the scientists on providing updates is time that they can't spend doing science.

This is why, for the day to day stuff, you have Community Advisors and the excellent World Community Grid staff.

Remember, too, that we are an international project. Many members' first language is not English, and sometimes things get lost in translation. I hope that all members will take this into account, and assume good faith when interpreting an ambiguous or confusing comment.
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Re: Work Unit Pause: A and B type update

Hi softstag.

I know what you mean about the absence of information surrounding some BOINC projects. It can be very frustrating.

World Community Grid go to a lot of effort to get detailed, accurate and accessible information about each project before it launches. No doubt you have browsed the Research section of the site already. We are aware that information about status and results can be hard to find on the site. Even though the latest status update from the project scientists is a mere 10 days ago, it is easy to overlook. In fact, it was the first post in this thread. One of the staff is currently working on ways to make project status and result information more accessible and more in-depth.

As to the question that seems to have triggered this discussion - the truthful answer is "when it is ready". Obviously, that's not particularly useful, which is presumably why the scientists didn't make a special announcement to that effect. Setting artificial deadlines only leads to trouble and usually results in a loss of trust. Instead, World Community Grid are perfectly honest about the uncertainty.
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Re: Work Unit Pause: A and B type update

People are anxious to help. Modern People are living Anxious Lives.
Being anxious is definitory to Modern Society.
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Re: Work Unit Pause: A and B type update

People are anxious to help.

As am I. But, of course, the experiments need to run reliably and produce accurate results.

The astronauts assigned to STS-119 have had to wait for some time now for other parts of the greater project to do their work, removing, analyzing, and replacing the shuttle GH2 valves to ensure that the mission can safely and productively proceed.

It's no good spinning our wheels running possibly faulty molecular models, needlessly increasing our carbon footprints, when this project is all about *decreasing* our carbon emission, impact on the environment, etc., in the long term.

"When it's ready" is a good, if unsatisfying, high level answer. I'm sure that if the science guys knew the answer to "when?", they'd post it. What I think would be good would be more detailed information as to what the situation is, whether the accuracy of previously returned work units is in question, what things are actually being investigated, debugged, etc.

I've been watching a lot of NASA TV lately. And I have noticed that they are working very hard to really engage the general public in the details of all the missions they are coordinating. They are really trying to bring the general public onto the team. In my opinion, it's a very good strategy.
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ps: Passed 10 years run time yesterday cool

10 years CEP or... smile

Tomorrow I get to a TOTAL of 10 years crunching, 9 Teraflops (6.3M points or 1M credits) and 10,000 WU crunched. No Harreld, you are the master at CEP right now (as far as we know).
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Re: Work Unit Pause: A and B type update

No one is getting cranky. I asked a simple question that I have not seen an answer to. As I stated, I was just curious. I'm happily crunching away on other projects and fine with it. That "Don't know who "we" is" comment just didn't seem to have a place for a innocent question.

As Sekerob (or Didactylos) said to me once not long ago: You have been around long enough......
So, yes this question has been asked and answered many, many times. Now we can all be resigned to the same answer that has been told since (probably) Day 1 of WCG: when its ready. No hints, no inside information. It calls for patience on our part.
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I'm sure that if the science guys knew the answer to "when?", they'd post it. What I think would be good would be more detailed information as to what the situation is, whether the accuracy of previously returned work units is in question, what things are actually being investigated, debugged, etc.


I quite agree that that would be interesting to read. Also, while they may not know "when", they'll almost certainly know "when not". By that, I mean that when most of us are involved in a project, we know what has to be done, at a minimum, so we know that it won't be less than a certain time, even though it may end up being much more.

If the science guys were to say they'll be, say, at least 2 weeks, we could all wander off and ignore this forum for a fortnight, knowing that nothing useful will be here, rather than spending our time having meta-discussions about the fact that we don't know anything.
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What REALLY would be most frustrating, is if this was the ONLY project on WCG. As it is, there are 5 other projects to strive for your own personal goals on - be it (like I am), working on obtaining as many Gold badges as possible (15 more days for DDD-T, and a heck of a lot more for HCC), or preparing for if/when we get higher badges (i.e 1, 2 or 3 years racked up against a particular project etc.).

With regards to CEP (and I've already been reasured that this is the case), just so long as it returns at some point in the future, I'll be happy. After all, I've only got 4 days worth of crunching done on this project...
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As it is, there are 5 other projects to strive for your own personal goals on - be it (like I am), working on obtaining as many Gold badges as possible

My goal is to help keep the Earth habitable for all these people that the other WCG projects, and a number of other BOINC projects, are trying to save. (The general feeling seems to be that adding to the existing Earth population is a good thing.) What projects would you suggest I contribute to? The other 5 WCG projects, along with projects like Rosetta, SIMAP, and Lattice, are all about increasing future contention for the Earth's finite resources.

CEP and CPDN are pretty much the only projects on BOINC that are at all concerned with preserving our planet, for all those extra people, in a habitable state.

If this were most any other project, I wouldn't bother to comment.

Personally, I feel that simply collecting badges for its own sake is a somewhat hollow pursuit, without concrete, real-world goals to support it. Especially considering the 12 billion kilowatt-hours per year consumed by the BOINC network. In my opinion, all that should be targeted at something truly beneficial.

As I posted previously, it is only rational for us to accept that we must wait for the science group to work out whatever problems exist so that we are not simply spinning our wheels on possibly useless work units. But there is plenty of reason for people to be interested in as much detail as reasonably possible.
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Re: Work Unit Pause: A and B type update

As it is, there are 5 other projects to strive for your own personal goals on - be it (like I am), working on obtaining as many Gold badges as possible

My goal is to help keep the Earth habitable for all these people that the other WCG projects, and a number of other BOINC projects, are trying to save. (The general feeling seems to be that adding to the existing Earth population is a good thing.) What projects would you suggest I contribute to? The other 5 WCG projects, along with projects like Rosetta, SIMAP, and Lattice, are all about increasing future contention for the Earth's finite resources.

CEP and CPDN are pretty much the only projects on BOINC that are at all concerned with preserving our planet, for all those extra people, in a habitable state.

If this were most any other project, I wouldn't bother to comment.

Personally, I feel that simply collecting badges for its own sake is a somewhat hollow pursuit, without concrete, real-world goals to support it. Especially considering the 12 billion kilowatt-hours per year consumed by the BOINC network. In my opinion, all that should be targeted at something truly beneficial.

As I posted previously, it is only rational for us to accept that we must wait for the science group to work out whatever problems exist so that we are not simply spinning our wheels on possibly useless work units. But there is plenty of reason for people to be interested in as much detail as reasonably possible.


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I agree, 100%.
For same goals, with CEP and CPDN I would add LHC when they have work to give.
And with all this, we will still have to control population growth.
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